Soo i guess Jada being the hard rocker that she is discovered Straight Edge along the way and convinced her man Will that this was worthy of a TV Show.
So here we have Jada and Will smith all about the ohio straight edge “crew” called the “Courage Crew” they were relevant ohhh 10 years ago??? Haha why don’t they do a show about FSU or some crew that is still kicking ass now? Whatevs
here’s will and the “Crew”
A film and television production company called Overboork Entertainment, formed by Will Smith, is working on a TV series for FX that will be a drama focused on a straight edge crew. Jada, Smith’s Wife, came up with the idea; I guess her stint in the music biz has given her a lot of insight in what it means to be Straight Edge. The show is untitled and will revolve around Courage Crew an SxE crew from Ohio. I have no idea what to expect, and I don’t want to assume the worst, but I doubt that it will be posi considering that most news and info about Courage Crew revolves around them allegedly beating up people that aren’t edge.
Worst idea ever… lets publicize something the media will take its hands on and completely change it, and get a whole bunch of confused kids claiming edge. Just like they took metalcore bands and said they were hardcore.
This is probably just going to publicize all the shitty things that people have seen and heard about straightedge kids doing, and that’s not fair. Straightedge isn’t about beating the shit out of someone who’s smoking on the corner, or stabbing old ladies who look at you funny or anything like that. This, I’m sure, will also just help even more 14 year olds who don’t know anything about straightedge except it makes them seem tough, claim edge, and once again make it look stupid. And I’m sure Jada knows SOOOO much about straightedge since she was in a metal band…yeah, whatever.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS OMG.
ps i loved all the OC kids that claimed courage crew 7 years ago.
i love will and jada.
I really hope this project never come to life.
This is just the bad publicity straight edge doesn’t need.
courage crew is very much alive even today…bands like xTyrantx and alot of the seventh dagger family are supporters of the crew…look into it…
I myself am going to try to do somthing to stop this project. I will put my neck on the line to stop the media from giving us an even worse name then we already have. If we try to work together i feel that we can put a dent in this project and maybe even clean up the bull shit that the media has created.
How would we do that? Who do we get in touch with/contact to even begin to try and do that? I definitely don’t want this, as “brilliant” as Will and Jada may think it is, to even come about. They don’t know what they’re doing by making this, and I’d rather not have a whole new wave of straightedge haters because of this bullshit.
So hopefully, there will be a hardcore revival. More kids will go to shows, bands will get more money, more records will be put out. WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT NAME EDGE KIDS HAVE!?!? It’s not something to fit in or stand out or whatever. And hopefully there will be less xwhateverx kids on AIM and xbox live and everywhere else.
This could go either way though.
some dude – sounds like you’re the only person making sense. straight edge is supposed to be for yourself, not anyone else. not to be part of a scene. not to bash others for what they do. it’s personal choice. ask ian, ask brian, ask anyone from the 80’s dc scene. Considering they started it, they should know.
Bahahahahaahahaha
Crews…..
Bahahahahahaaha
First of all Courage Crew is still a strong crew so watch what you say about them.
But I mainly agree with what xSLCSEx was saying.
We all know straight edge started as a song by Minor Threat and kids who decided to follow in their place were the O.G. edge kids and understood what it truly meant. But ever since then alot of kids have been bringing that title to a new low because they are just using straight edge while they are in the 8th grade and want to get attention.
I was at this edge fest show last month in Haverhill, MA and bands like Verse and Have Heart were playing.
National Geographic was there.
Now you might think this is cool because they were doing a documentary on straight edge and it is going to get the message out there or whatever, but its really just National Geographic trying to make money and its showing straight edge to all those mainstream pussies out there who would only use straight edge to be like “underground” or be “hip.” Which is already happening enough. And thats just fucking stupid. If straight edge becomes so popular that bands like Nickelback become xNickelbackx then whats to happen? It becomes so intense that 9 year old kids are claiming edge and completely forgetting that its a life commitment? Or people drop the casual sex part of the x and change what straight edge originaly was?
I just couldnt handle that shit.
Ahaha, what if the mother fucking Jonas Brothers or Panic at the Disco claim edge.
The thought of it disgusts me.
I agree with xAZHCx
Oh and “LITTLE EDGE” its scene fags like you that are ruining straight edge.
Cut your hair.
im not taking sides here, im on my own side, i’ll say what i beleive and idc what others think. after all if i cared about what everyone around my town thought, i wouldnt be straight edge. this is more me. and i think this show will be great. i mean yeah its fucking rediculous that all these young kids want to be edge because they see it as “cool” and i dont think they should do this. it actually really pisses me off when kids do this. but straight edge is for me, i know im straight edge. idc how other people view it. its for me. i mean yeah the great part about it is more people will know about straight edge. but at the same time. hopefully will and jada will make a strong point and be sure to let their viewers know that it is a lifelong commitment. and it is taken very serious. idk i guess we’ll see what happens though.
“I will put my neck on the line to stop the media from giving us an even worse name then we already have.”
-worry about your own name.
“Haha why don’t they do a show about FSU or some crew that is still kicking ass now? Whatevs”
-yeah, why not focus on a relevant group of jerks?
“I guess her stint in the music biz has given her a lot of insight in what it means to be Straight Edge.”
-maybe she came across it at some point and it resonated with her. kind of like how everybody else learned about it. and its not up to her to portray straight edge, its up to the dudes that will be on the show.
i like will smith.
Hopefully this documentary sheds light on the idiocy known as the courage crew. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen one person get beat down by a bunch of jocks who weren’t good enough to get a scholarship to college. They still wanted to feel relevant so they formed a gang and used straight-edge as their new calling. One kid is smoking a cigarette and minding his own business when a gang of jocks walks up to him screaming disrespect before beating him down. Real tough to do that. It doesn’t take much “courage” to be one of six guys beating down one guy. Hopefully this documentary truly exposes what’s wrong with these idiots.
xbrosephx – As far as the lifelong commitment, tell that to the numerous guys you see in bars with huge X’s tattooed on their neck or hands. That’s how lifelong the trend is to most.
dude wheres this gonna be at and when
I went to edge day in Haverhill too this year. It was amazing how many kids get together for this and its apparent it’s more than a trend. Verse even says its a lifelong commitment, its not straightedge until 21 and they are living proof along with Champion. Have Heart says it best, “A hero’s fall can never change what I think because at the core of my heart this something more than ink ” Even though people break edge Jay, many are still serious about this and no edge kids don’t just go around beating up people for having a cigarette, clearly you don’t go to many shows.
How many courage crew kids does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Doesn’t matter as long as the bulb is outnumbered.
Will Smith is awesome!
tru
This is by far one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard of.if you want to not drink,do drugs,or have sex than whatev live your life but dont beat up kids because they arn’t like you…if you want to hurt someone that bad then join the military you can kill all kinds of people for no fuckin reason at all.
your all idiots.im moving to canada.
“seriously”, You’re talking about straight edge and I’m talking about courage crew. I grew up in Ohio and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a group of at least four people from the courage crew beat down one guy for something as simple as smoking a cigarette. I’m not saying all straight edge kids are like that, but the majority of the courage crew is. If you’re not, that’s awesome. More power to you. I speak from personal experience though.
what shows were you going too, when this was happening? And what city(s) were you in at the time, and how do you know they were crew? I’m just asking here…because i mean i’ve beat up a kid or two at a show and im NOT crew. I wouldn’t expect to ppl say, oh man that kid is Courage Crew watch out he’s a “toughguy”, rather i’d expect them to say “dang that kid just beat the shit out of that dude”! I bet alot of people just mistake other non crew sXe kids for being crew when a fight breaks out, and the edge dude beats the other guy horribly.
They ran rampant through Dayton for the latter part of the 90’s and early 2000’s. I knew they were courage crew because they were the guys beating their chests as loud as possible while telling everyone how much better they were. Screaming edge and crap like that. Oh and the ones I didn’t know personally: They gave themselves away by the HUGE X’s marked on their hands.
Look we all know how this turns out. Everyone WILL have their own opinions about the show, courage crew, straight edge. hardcore kids, and watever else falls into that category. Ppl who arent straight edge and look down upon it will automatically talk shit about it to make themselves feel better. They will project their insecurities onto other people. And same for straight edge kids.. Im sure alot of people have noticed that the edge kids that go around beating the shit out of people who are simply just minding their own business amoking or drinkin are usually the ones who have the most to hide and really arent edge themselves. Which in fact are most likely the ones to break edge first. Ive seen it happen many times. But I know for myself through knowin some people in courage crew that not ALL of them are like that. Im sure some of them are. But those dudes are probably egotistical idiots. I know that some of them though have friends/band mates/co-workers/and even family members who are NOT straight edge and get along with them just fine. I myself am associated with both straight edge and NON straight edge kids.. I have plenty of friends who drink and smoke and fuck as much as they want. You dont see me or any one of our friends goin around and beatin the shit outta them.. If i saw a straight edge kid beatin the shit out of someone for the simple reason that the other person was smokin or drinkin not botherin anyone.. Id probably go out of my way and beat the shit out of the straight edge kid and teach them a lesson. Its ridiculous how you guys categorize so many different things into one specific group. There will be different kinds of people in EVERY single group/clique/crew/ or watever the hell it may be.
2 words
nashua NH
JAY….. every edge kid has X’d up at a show before, that doesn’t make them crew, shit even i yell out STRAIGHT EDGE at shows, and I ain’t crew, i bet you don’t even know how to really spot a real CXCB dude in the first place, and as far as they’re “fading presence” all i can say is you probably haven’t been to a real hardcore show while.
JDCXXX, I wasn’t stating that every kid that X’s up is courage crew. It may have read like that, but that’s not what I was implying. I know not every straight edge person is courage crew, and vice versa. I know what courage crew was in the late 90’s and early 2000’s though. Trust me, they ruined almost every punk show we had with their inflated ego’s and the need to tell everyone how hardcore they were. I don’t know about now, but then it was a status symbol to them to show how scene they were.
So Jay, name one show that was “ruined” by Courage Crew in Dayton.
this is gay will smith is going to get jumped fsu and the crews are not a joke
this isnt a joke, FSU, Courage, any of them crews aint no joke, im guessing they would be more than GLAD to beat your ass
if its not good its talking shit no matter how you try and spin it
You guys seem to be missing the point. The fact that SxE is being put in the mainstream media is a problem in its self. When ever tehe mainstream gets a hold of anything underground they ruin it.
Now true hardcore and edge aren’t really underground anymore and I hate that. I got into this scene in 93 because the “normal ” people weren’t a part of it. Now everybody is core or emo or edge now it seems. I can’t wait till this dies back out and half you people leave and move on to the next thing.
why dont you name the show “modern day nazi’s”
LifeLoveRegret, I saw several Stoics shows and quite a bit of PDW shows ruined because of Courage crew. Plenty of the art hops at plan B coffee house as well.
what is PDW or Stoics?……….
They were bands in the mid 90’s to early 2000’s. There are several more, I just didn’t want to make a long list.
(Jay)Ehhhh the only kids who would have went to those shows are all drinking now. I could name a few, and they weren’t CXC. They were SXE, but not CXC.
(LifeLoveRegret) A lot of them were claiming courage crew and yes, I definitely saw a couple of them drinking a few years later.
(Jay) Yeah everyone “was” Courage Crew in the 90’s. More like wanted to be. I’m not sure if you live around Dayton anymore, but things have changed for the better. Most of the kids who started most of the trouble are long gone.
I definitely live in Phoenix now. That’s good to know the “scenesters” are gone. If this documentary comes out expect to get a whole new wave of them.
I doubt it because everyone knows what happens if you claim CXCB and your not in….. it starts with an Ass and ends with a Beating. Regardless of a TV show or not, they could care less they won’t put up wit that shit, and if the kids are under 18 they’ll get a younger dude to smack ‘em, believe that shit.
personally, it’s a toss up with me. i know a few CC guys who are pretty cool. however, i have also seen the “gang” mentality aspect of them also. first off, i personally was threatened by a courage crew member back in 2001 in norwood, oh. for wearing a leather jacket and smoking a cigarette. i simply told the dude what i did was none of his business and to step up if he wanted some. he looked at me very blank for a second and told me he was going to go get his crew! WTF! now, this here is the problom. i don’t think all straight edge kids are bad and i think it’s a personal choice. however, don’t run your mouth if you can’t back it up. if you need to outnumber everyone you assault, that’s not real “hardcore” in my book. this is the mentality of a lot of CC that gave the whole fucking thing a bad name. it’s good to have pride in yourself and your beliefs but it’s a real punk ass thing to judge other people and gang jump them because they don’t share your beliefs. and if your too much of a chicken shit to fight someone 1 on 1 maybe it’s time to re-evaluate what you stand for. just my 2 cents.
the thing is the whole scene, edge kids, scene kids, hardcore kids all of us built this from bottom up and we managed to keep it underground and this will make all the retards with nothing else to do something to conform to. im in the scene ause its who i am and i dont want a bunch of fakes showing up at a my chidren my bride show that think theyre the shit cause they “saw it on TV” thatd suck
oh and it takes a lot of shit to get into CxC so i dont see why they cant act tough
anonymous – Imagine how the true punks feel. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard/seen MTV exploit punk rock and slap that label on music that’s nowhere near punk. Suck it up and get used to it.
One of my favorite courage crew memories was from a “More than Music Fest” in Dayton in the early ’90’s. They were talking a lot of shit but when confronted by Cincinnati, they wouldn’t do a thing. It was the early days of courage crew and considering how they’ve gr0wn in size over the years it’s kinda funny to know that I was one of the guys that punked them out back in the day. I’m far removed from any crew scene these days and looking back I realize how silly it is. Hopefully the new school crews will realize it too.
Hey I think this is stupid and Straight Edge should not publisized on Corporate Media channels it will just disort the true meaning of straight edge and people that arent involved in the scene really wont understand. Fuck Will smith and His dumb wife I bet they really arent even edge! Someone Should Kill these people trying to destroy this subculture!
xAndyLarsonx – How do you think true punks feel? Suck it up and deal with it. Your scene is going to be exploited (as if hot topic wasn’t already selling markers to “X up”). It happens to a lot of scenes.
I agree Jay. Nothing is sacred anymore. I can only speak for myself, but I’ve seen a lot of things come and go, and as far as “corporate media” they “exploited ” the “punk rock scene” many years ago. The first would be the name punk rock. This term was given to people by the media, and was termed to be negative. Yet people call themselves punk rock even now. I’m only in my mid 30’s, so I can only tell you to get used to it.
LifeLoveRegret – I’m 28, so I’ve gotten used to it. I was already listening to punk when the 90’s punk rock boom hit with Epitaph, Fat wreck and so on. I’ve seen the trendy kids rise and fall and I’m sure I’ll see it again. Just like I’ve seen in the sXe scene and soon the cycle will begin again (if it hasn’t already).
Jay, I was agreeing with you, the rest of the message was for xAndyLarsonx. Sorry about that.
No problem.
I guess being from OH and knowing some of the Crew guys, I’m gonna have to ask them what they think of the whole thing.
All I’ve ever known of crew was good and not the way its played out to be and hopefully if this does go through they portray the fun part of it and very little time with the other side.
So are these actors or actuall edge kids?
asianxkaos-
It will be both.
lifeloveregret-
How do you know this information?
And another thing about this whole idea though, is that I hope as far as what they decide to talk about in it, I really hope they focus on everything good about it. There are so many things that are believed about CxC that are just not true.
XjoshyX-
I live in Dayton.
LifeLoveRegret – Are you old enough to remember when the Dayton music scene was actually good?
I am from Cincinnati, so I am around this scene down here, which has been ever changing the past couple years.
Anyway, since I’ve started going to shows there have been few good bands to come out of Dayton. The only bands I like out of Dayton right now are Take NO Prisoners and Never Again.
Jay-
Yeah I remember those days. Especially the early 90’s. Its pretty much sucked here since then.
LifeLoveRegret – It was painful to watch everything go downhill. I remember kids coming from Cincy and Columbus to see shows in Dayton. Slowly, but surely things died down and the last couple of years I lived in Dayton, I didn’t even go to any shows.
513 who are you…speaking of being punked out
omg jay
stop bitchin
How about you actually read the posts? I’m not complaing. Hell, I don’t even live in Ohio anymore.
I think this show will have its good and bad aspects, ive seen and met members of the courage crew at plenty of shows and have yet to see them fight anyone, and i think the show will give these guys a chance to tell everyone what they are all about. but the show is also selling straight edge out to the media and its going to become a household term that will make longtime straight edge people embarassed to claim anymore.
fresh prince and one life crew would’ve been funnier
ey 513 you still live in cincy?
Ron Fox? Eaton Ohio, Ron Fox?
We used to go to shows at Newspace and Brent or Brookwood Hall (whatever that lodge out in the woods by the power plant was called), in Dayton.
I was really close with Ron Fox and considering the crowd, the CxC was no more disorderly or lawless than the BootBoys or the 513 or Capital City (I forget the rest,, Superheroes?) or the MOO Crew.
I mean, for heavens sake, it was Frank Strong, not Ron Fox, who stole Elliot’s mag lite! natch
However, CxC did acquire and retain a rather nefarious notoriety, more so than the rest of those “crews”. (I don’t see Jada Smith knocking down Joe Nickley or Ben Steiger’s door to purchase rights to the “Boot Boy”.)
Good times.
If you are the “Ron Fox”, who I was such good friends with 17 years ago, let me know. I have been wondering what the heck happened to you.
The last we spoke was when you called me out of the blue whne I worked at Scentiments and you were moving to Colorado.
well i dont know about all of you guys but obviously courage crew had no problem what so ever with will smith doing this doc.
honestly i agree edge doesnt need to be mainstream because it’s not a mainstream movement and we dont want bands like xnicklebackx but thats were bands that are part of the hardcore movement take a stand but i’m pretty sure with courage crew being ok with it itll be seen fine
but there is always those fucks that wanna bring something down.
lets just see what happens.
p.s.
who ever the fuck dicksmoke is i would put all the money in the world on that he wouldnt step to fsu or fucking cxc
dont hate on what you dont know anything about.
first off, i could really care less about what anyone thinks, this is what i have to say take it or leave it
i agree very strongly with what xAZHCx has to say, but i think maybe if done right could be good, maybe less people would make unwise decisions. We could have a cleaner america on the way.
Why is it such a big deal if straight edge becomes a popular thing? because then it won’t be your secret cool thing? just a thought
but then again I’m sure will smith and jada or w/e her name is know so much about edge
first off, i could really care less about what anyone thinks, this is what i have to say take it or leave it
i agree very strongly with what xAZHCx has to say, but i think maybe if done right could be good, maybe less people would make unwise decisions. We could have a cleaner america on the way.
Why is it such a big deal if straight edge becomes a popular thing? because then it won’t be your secret cool thing? just a thought
but then again I’m sure will smith and jada or w/e her name is know so much about edge
Since when has Straightedge not been a part of popular culture?
Here is a hint, this isn’t anything new.
I’ve been in the Ohio scene for many years. And I’ve had my run ins with CC before. I’m not edge. I respect those who do it for themselves non-militantly, but pushing beliefs onto others, especially through violence like Courage Crew does, is tyrannical and the ideology should be banished. They should be treated in the same regard as Nazi Skins in the scene.
Militant straight edge overshadows everything positive about straight edge and hardcore and opens up so many paths of hypocrisy. For example, Courage Crew kids attack those who are not sXe, but will support bands like Terror, who’s lead singer sold out (Chris Alsop – Suffocate Faster – let’s Scott stay at his house)? They’re militant against and do not support my beliefs, but listen to Blood for Blood, Madball, Agnostic Front, Death Before Dishonor and support them? They’re against smoking because it’s a vascular contricting carcinogen, but they drink 8 energy drinks a day? Ohh wait, let’s not forget the 3rd X in ‘XXX’ stands for don’t fuck, and the guys go and have unprotected and unmeaningful sex all the time. Does anyone see the problem here?
The sad thing is, I know Will and Jada Smith both support Courage Crew. Will was almost a CC member. I just hope that this documentary does not glorify CC actions or give them a platform to spew their hatred. At least Nazi’s hated ALL non-anglo-saxons and didn’t pick and choose. Courage Crew and any straightedge militant crew are nothing but hypocritical gang members that ruin the hardcore scene. They’ll always put themselves above the scene and destroy it. Look at Dayton. Good lord, we can’t even get a good show here anymore and our scene was thriving a long time ago. Why? Because of CC. They’re a joke.
XjoshhyX, Crew do good?
Do you know Stevie? He’s ragging on a kid. Taunts the kid to fight. The kid socks Stevie. Stevie gets on the horn to his Crew buddies, kid gets beat up. How’s that good?
I know a lot of the old Crew dudes. And they were down. But this new CC age is ridiculous. People getting shot at because they’re not CC anymore and refusing to cover their tattoos? In my mind, no difference between CC and the Eastside Crips.
There’s a reason why Ian McKay and Slapshow don’t call themselves straightedge anymore.
J. You make a couple of good points. However, before you start spewing with rumors that I’ve heard about for years, you should get your facts straight. Anyone could say that the Dayton scene is a joke now because of cxc. However, the Dayton scene got its name because of sxe and cc. You might want to see who did all of the bookings throughout the 90’s. And as far as Stevie, he isn’t cxc right now because of his actions.
Lifeloveregret, while Courage Crew did a lot of the bookings in the 90’s you’re not completely true with that statement. I seem to remember a lot of the beerXedge crew doing a lot of shows too. Don’t forget that goth club on Jefferson, plan B in the oregon district, all of the Legbone shows, etc. The scene was thriving in general, but not solely because of courage crew. Actually, I remember a lot of people not going to shows because they knew courage crew was going to be there. If anything, that supports J’s statements.
Stevie isn’t courage crew anymore. It is to my understanding that he got kicked out of crew for sleeping around. Apparently they meant to make an example out of him. So who knows maybe they’re doing a crew wide clean-up and are trying to get the respect they once had in the 90s and such. A little thing I noticed is that Earth Crisis/Path of Resistance always used to thank Ron, Denny, and JC, as well as courage crew in general. But thier last few albums they only thanked the said members and the “courage few.”
All I have to say is how many times will you venture down to Louisivlle and Pikeville and see some fruity looking rockabilly dude with a courage crew shield on his throat, cxcb down his leg, or something of that nature. It has got to be hard to run a crew where everyone just sells out a few years down the road.
Jay,
I was talking about the real scene. Not the rebos scene that came years later. I’m talking about 90-97ish. They were the only ones doing real hardcore shows. And yes you were correct, many people didn’t go to those shows because of them. However, it was also around that time where all the scenes split. It used to be that everyone went to “punk” shows. Then came along every genre of music, and with that came different “split scenes” everywhere.
haha, and here I thought I was an old timer. I think in 1990, I was playing video games and not doing much else.
Lifeloveregret, they were not.
Frank Strong, Chris Rage and several others were doing Hardcore Shows in 1990. In fact, Ron didn’t start the CxC until 1991-92.
I remember when he sent me his first comic. I still have it.
Skinhead Kate-
I was refering to SXE in general doing shows in the early 90s. Frank Mcguire (Strong) left about 92. Thats when things went to hell until about 92/93 when CXC kids started doing shows. When I stated above, I was talking about “real hardcore” through the 90’s not the other rebos scene with all the hoods hahah.
And the comic book yes hahah I still have mine as well.
It already has been ruined by mainstream media and pop culture. Its been that way for years. That is one of the main reasons I dropped out of SxE. Every douchebag that wore tight pants and a cool t-shirt were claiming edge too be cool or fit in. Fuck the dumbshit. GROWN MEN live for themselves and love hardcore. thats all that counts.
FUCK ALL YOU,
all you fuckin tree huggers can go have sex with your sister, because shes the only one who probably accepts you, cause your a fag. SUCK MY DICK. xxx
Haha. Teen angst at its finest.
I can name one show ruined by Courage Crew in Dayton, OH…Snapcase and Avail.
I agree Snapcase deserved an ass whooping for what they did, but at the same time do it in the parking lot after the show. Don’t jump Snapcase on stage and then get the show canceled.
I guess I’m just a man. I grew up in an era where going toe to toe meant something. Not this gang mentality of hurting someone bad enough they won’t seek retaliation. And I know there are some good Courage Crew dudes out there. I’ve met them and they’ve been extremely respectful.
But at the same time, Courage Crew should clean house of the ones that are only in the crew to wear the dog tags, get the tattoo, and beat people up. Let’s be honest, for those that go to Cinci shows that aren’t Crew, we know who they are, so Crew has to. All those kids are detriment and ruin the credibility. That has to resonate somewhere in Crew.
courage crew are bunch of sellouts, for letting themselves be exploited. Seriously if you want to exploit hardcore more then its already been done fine go ahead but to have it televised so people can jump on the hardcore band wagon is messed up
so heres to courage crew…YOU SELLOUTS
selling out hardcore for your 15 minutes of fame IS AWESOME…
big ups to the courage crew…great job exploiting hardcore you idiots…
I CANT WAIT FOR THE COURAGE CREW shirts in hottopic to show up…AWESOME…
If I join Courage Crew can I be cool and beat a kid blind like they did not too long ago??? Then only go to jail for a couple of months and get off for “good behavior”.
Way to sellout your pride. I hope you guys “Get Jiggy With It” on FX.
FYI, this isn’t some legally copyrighted entity that Will Smith needs permission to portray. If he is not using anybody’s real name, he can make a TV show about anything he wants.
It’s called adulthood and knowing things, it is neat-o.
Also, there is no such thing as subculture anymore, the media killed it long ago, so stop crying about selling out. It makes you look like big babies.
like they are the first ones to do it, c’mon get your heads out of your asses. Much bigger and deadlier groups of people have done shows/documentaries on their groups the Bloods (Bastards of the Party HBO special), Crips (Bangin in Little Rock parts 1&2 HBO special), and MS13 (National Geographic special) , and these are real documentaries. Not TV shows based loosely around them like the CXCB project, so get your shit straight. And as far as selling out hardcore you could thank Madball, Hatebreed, Evergreen Terrace, Terror, or anyother HC band that has been in a music video on MTV, so whatever.
I think its amazing that all you “kids” are talking about selling out hardcore etc etc. JDCXXX knows whats going on. Hardcore was soldout years ago. Punk was soldout years before that. Sorry to break it to most of you, but you aren’t doing anything original.
I’m trying to understand JDC’s and LifeLoveRegrets reasoning here…
First off, how has punk or hardcore sold out anything? They’re not living entities. Bands and other people in the scene sold out punk and hardcore.
I’ve been in this scene for over 15 years and I know plenty of bands and people that keep it real and stick to their roots. Just because bands like Hatebreed, Madball, Terror, etc… sell out to have their videos on MTV, doesn’t mean I’ve sold out…Doesn’t mean those bands that do it for fun and never make dime sold out. It just means Hatebreed, Madball, and Terror sold out.
Secondly, is the sellout of others validation that it’s okay for CC to sell-out? I’m not saying CC sold out or anything…I could give a fuck what they do. But, just because other people have sold out should never be a validation for someone else to.
It’s not validation for CXC to “sellout”, im just saying that the punk and hardcore scenes have broken into mainstream culture long before they (CXCB) decided to create a TV show, documentary, or whatever. And it shouldn’t really matter, shit i mean if people have such a problem with that, than i can’t imagine the shit these people talk about FSU for their releases of Boston Beatdown (volumes 1 & 2)
Okay. First off. Edge is a solidcommunity and it makes me laugh how people bash thier own lifestyles… so if it becomes a big deal and the Jonas brothers and all these dudes claim edge, then good… It is one less drunk driver killing our kids. Just because you don’t agree with everyone who is edge doesn’t mean that they don’t have the right to want to live a pure lifestyle and better the community (what straight edge is actually about)… and if a bunch of kids do it for a week and then back out, who cares… they were never really edge.
Second. That is like a small percentage of the courage crew there… most of those dudes are from the Ohio sect but its a lot bigger, still quite relevant. Plus that picture was taken like years ago, I am pals with a good number of dudes in it… not a new thing really, haha.
Third. Who cares if the media portrays it. Nothing is sacred, so getting your panties in a bunch just makes edge kids look like whiny pricks. I am pretty sure if we can kick each other in the face at a Take No Prisoners (friend name drop – SKEET!) show and rough up skin heads and never succumb to the pressures of society and the media and others, that we can take a show on stride… besides, do something other than watch TV, for real.
Really all I am trying to say is oh well, be edge for you and let this shit blow over just like a few years back when Hot Topic had edge merch all over. Love yourselves and fellow edge kids and Get off the internet and TV and go out to better your community, then punch someone in the dick (or vag, equal rights!) at a hardcore show.
There you go. Now blast me.
Furthermore… I hope the thing has a scene about blasting the rocky horror kids outside the neon with waterballoons and shit. Oh the good ol’ days and the mischief.
yea who cares if the media gives edge kids a bad image?im edge and i really dont give a shit what people think.it may be a trend to other kids but not me.so it doesnt bother me when people say “oh straight edge is just a trend and an excuse for people to be ‘xtoughx’ and ‘hxc’” cause i know im edge for the right reasons
i doubt very seriously that will smith and his wife are goin to focus theyre attention on only the negative things perceived about straightedge. im sure it will be about how not every teenager in this world is concentrating on drugs and alcohol and any other negative means of society. maybe this time it will be about giving props and respect to the kids who have convictions and morals.
shut up, vanessa, girls can’t be straightedge so don’t talk about something you’ll never be a part of.
hahaha….wow. let me guess youre like 16 or 17….you go to shows on the weekend get your merch and two step for the bands you know. you claim edge because someone you knew claimed edge….you probably didnt learn all about what it is or respect it until you claimed. well let me tell you something. hardcore was my life for a long time. i earned my respect as a female in the scene supported the boys and girls that put their blood sweat and tears into making it what it should have been….i unfortunatly had to grow up and realize that the scene is changing and that i no longer fit in with the kids who are making it what it is now. i was edge no i am no longer edge but it wasnt a trend to me it got me through the roughest time in my life where i could have destroyed any type of future i might have wanted. maybe someday youll learn that there comes a time where you dont have to prove yourself to other people that they know who and what you are….girl or not sweety i was apart of something you will never see….
It’s funny what some of you call “selling out”. You’re telling me if you loved to play music and someone offered to pay you to do what you love and already do for free you would turn it down? If you say yes you’re either a liar or stupid. Selling out would be compromising your beliefs for money. If (insert favorite punk or hardcore band here) was approached by someone who said “I’ll give you a lot of money if you start playing hair metal” and that band agreed, I can see how that would be considered selling out. To get paid to do something you love and you’re already doing for free? Hardly selling out. I’m guessing those of you who claim all bands on MTV “sold out” aren’t a day over 24. You think you’re going to be able to raise kids playing hall shows and bars? Life is going to kick you in the head pretty fricking hard if you don’t get your head out of your ass.
Vanessa………You’re a SELLOUT, so fuck off, where the fuck do you get off even discussing STRAIGHT EDGE to anyone? Obviously you and so many other people like you don’t know shit about being sXe hence you’re a SELLOUT! Didn’t mean shit to you then, that’s why you are where you are now, so what if the kid is 16 or 17. CXC was started by a couple of 17 year olds who are now in their very late 30’s and are still CXC (hence still sXe), so what does growing up have to do with shit? As for Kris, girls can be straight edge, for straight edge holds no prejudice on sex, race, age, or ethinicity it’s for anyone and everyone though the lifestyle appeals to males more than females, it’s about community nonetheless.
More about Straight Edge females…….
Straight Edge is about family, and family is very important to the Straight Edge lifestyle/community. And let’s say two Edge kids (boy and girl) grow up and become married. And they have a kid, now you have two parents both who are straight edge, both who raise their child in a smoke, drug, and alcohol free house hold, instill in their child the Core values of Straight Edge which are abstinance from promiscuity, drugs, alcohol, and smoking, loyalty, honor, respect, and education, being a productive citizen, always staying true to one’s self and all relationships both romantic and ordinary friendship. How much more is that child going to want to be somebody and make something of him or herself , as well as wanting to be sXe? I’d say a hell of alot more that being raised in an enviorment dad is edge and mom smokes and drinks and does whatever, so im all about the edge ladies.
it is about growing up. both of my parents were addicts of many different things. my brother too….i dont smoke i rarely drink and im of age. im in the army busting my ass so kids like you can do the things you do. im having a child of my own with a man i love very much and loves me the same. hes never heard of straightedge and yet he doesnt and hasnt done anything society is letting kids these days think is ok. i dont see how anyone can judge anyone on what they do or did if that person is doing the best for themselves. and honestly JDCXXX it is kids like you that make the media believe sxe is a violent rebelious cry out to society by treating people that arent the same as you are. and how do you know that 5 years from now youre gonna be the exact same. see i was just like you…an elitist who thought i was better than everyone else….realize that the world is a lot more than hardcore and sxe
Vanessa… Good on you for being in the military. I am also in the military. But I am also 30 and still edge. We know life is bigger then hardcore and sXe. If you didn’t before you do after your first deployment. But to the us that are still active in the scene it still means a lot to us. Look at all the shit we have to put up with. All the alcoholics we work with. If it wasn’t for going to shows blowing off some steam I would have lost it by now. You moved on thats fine people do all the time. I don’t think your a sellout. But you can’t knock kids who are still apart of the scene. You don’t have a right to tell us that we are wrong in what we think cause you are no longer apart of the scene IMO.
See I beg to differ, i’ve been edge for 5 and a half years now, and yes i do believe there is more to life than hardcore, but not sXe. Straight Edge is a life long commitment alot like marriage, unfortenately the value of being sXe is becomming less and less alot like getting married. In both marriage and sXe you become apart of something great, you have a family, you have security, and even greater sense of pride, and not just for yourself but for your friends (or husband/wife) . Too bad, like you (and sellouts in general) times got hard and friends became enemies or they lost their sense of self and gave up and sold out, because they lost what they cherished most and quit. Or they rushed into it without thinking shit through and got caught up in the moment and because they loved the song SXE Revenge they thought they loved the lifestyle, only to realize they loved the idea of sXe not actually being sXe until the day they died. Hence TRUE TILL DEATH! that means until the day they bury me in the ground i will remain to be SXE!
im not telling anyone they are wrong for what they believe…..not at all…i was saying dont judge the ones who arent sxe as if they arent as good as you. i didnt break edge because things got rough or because i couldnt have self control….i got out of the scene and just stopped claiming. i have been deployed. tikrit iraq. cob speicher. less than a year after i joined. i go back in less than a year….sometimes i wish i was still in the scene and went to shows but the kids i went with moved or stopped going too because it changed so much. it became what we hated. i love hardcore. i respect any and everyone that treats the scene like it should be. but i had to make decisions….oh and ps there is no scene in hawaii so that made it hard too..haha. i dont want anyone thinking im insulting sxe or hardcore thats not what this was about in fact if you read my first entry i was saying how maybe this time the media will show the better sides of edge but some kid wanted to be stupid and cuss me out. but hey its cool no hard feelings…..
I have a friend from ohio Cinci area.. he is in courage crew and he wants out. the name is ruined these days im about an hour from SLC and its horrible.. Straight edge kids fighting straight edge kids. People dont fight for their beliefs these days, but kids beating up others because they are angry. Why make the name Mainstream… what happened too Integrity. Some of my biggest role models that motivated me too claim years ago are leaving it because its just not the same anymore.
name?
Well I cant give a name… cause thats not my deal.. no dis respect too you anything its just one of those things.
i understand
“he wants out” Ummm its not like its blood in blood out. I call bullshit on this.
naw no bull shit…. what happened was he grew up with two kids since he was kids… like brothers… they all claimed edge his two best friends ended up selling out, and kids wanted him too kick their ass. But He just diidnt have it in him to do it. So now everyone wants his ass. That would be a really tough situation I dunno If I could do it either… but he just wants too get away too a small town and be a gamer nerd… that all i do work be sober and game
o yeah and my girlfriend of course.
The situation doesn’t sound right to me either. I’ve never heard of that situation, it must be a young kid. Are you sure that he is cxc? Or does he just hang out with some of those kids?
sounds like a kid who hangs out, because i know CXC dudes who still chill with sellouts, now unless the dudes were CXC and sold out, then i could see that situatin arising.
why doesn’t he just turn his tags in?
hey kate.
HI RON!
You can contact me thru my website.
How are you?
dud ethat rocks
fuck drugs (:
kill the adicctions
and vices in your lives!!
STRAIGHT EDGE KIDS ARE FAGGOTS
actually wait i change my mind man
this is shit man cause now poeple are gonna see that and well its harsh but true people are fuckin’ignorant man stupid kids are gonna be all im straight edge thats bad ass poser man fuck this thing man take it ooff the air laters live life on the edge fuckers!!!
Stupidest idea I’ve ever heard. I respect the fact they are down with edge, but don’t make a drama based straight edge show. Propaganda at it’s best. Don’t let it happen. Please.
despite what happens, nothing will change how I feel about being straight edge. I don’t care how many weenies go edge and then break and go, the fact is Straight edge will NEVER be mainstream. We’ll be more hated now then ever but thats fine. I’m not Straight Edge to be popular (but I’m definitely not Straight Edge to be a bully, hopefully no one takes that the wrong way and starts with the whole “you stupid tough guy jock newb ewww waaa”) I am straight edge for me (wooo cliche I know I’m sorry). Face it the norm is drinking smoking and bars and hard alt rock concerts. I don’t think I see xhigh school the musicalx happening anytime. Plus people will get shit so twisted they wont want anything to do with edge. We’ll still be here like we were before. just sayin’
it will show we are better than any fucking druggies out there.
well,to be honost im in the 9th grade and im 14 ive been straight edge for almost 2 years now (i know it sounds lame but i was out skateboarding one day and some guy from reno was to and im from a small town
so we start chillin and stuff and he told me about it
and i was like wow that really appealing to me but anyway now we have been friends for a while and stuff but
lots of people make fun of me for being edge and you saying that “14 year old in it for a fad”is fucking bullshit
oh and “cut your hair” i have medium length hair..
and im not scene!
i go to shows.i rep.
and i have seen alot of people break edge and be like “smoke,its good for you”
but im still true
so please dont stereotype me.
i also think this is a horrible idea.making edge mainstream will fuck everything up.
FUCK CREWS! CREWS SUCK! it’s just a reason for beating people up! fuck fsu, courage crew, gamc all that shit! I tried it one time and it was the worst idea I ever had in the history of my entire life! I’m not judging the people in it it’s just that the whole idea behind it is gay! the only ever cool crew/band was one life crew and they were a bunch of hateful ass mother fuckers too! Will smith is cool don’t get me wrong but this is a terrible idea! Half the people that are straight edge don’t even listen to hardcore anyways! they listen to xINSERT TOUGH/GAY NAME HEREx bands. Whatever.
ok so i have been a Posi Straight Edge kid my whole life, 20 years and running strong, and to be honest I dont give a fuck about what people think about me. The media will always show the negative characteristics of any group or subject matter. I just went to a Have Heart show and the singer brought up a good point, “Everyone was so scared that the National Geographic documentary on straight edge would make us all look like gang members, since when do straight edge kids care about what everyone thinks about them?” People will always see straight edge as a violent gang no matter how you put it. Be yourself and stop labeling straight edge as a group, IT IS A FUCKING LIFESTYLE! There can be no bad publicity for straight edge cause there is not a crew or gang named Straight Edge no matter how you look at it!
the idea is pretty stupid
but
it really wont make any difference anyways because the words “straight edge” are already and bound to become even more of a character trait than a lifestyle
if you’re edge and committed to it then the path that the namesake of edge as a whole goes makes no difference to you because you’ve made a commitment that means something to YOU
who cares if mainstream america thinks they know what edge is they already think they know everything about every subculture because they’re the majority
theyll say theyre edge and none of them will be which will defeat the purpose of edge in general so real edge kids win posers lose
and some kids will likely actually embrace being edge which never hurts
us making it a big stink when mainstream society get their hands on something new to them is what truely ruins it because it causes instant turmoil and runs it straight into the ground
just ignore the posers and live your life forreal
dont reply to me saying you think im wrong cuz im here to throw that out there not argue
okay okay hold on, i kinda skimmed through this shit, some of you sound retarded, like “oh this dude was cool until he SOLD OUT” dude unless u literally are a musician who bounces on ur fav music just to make money, LIKE FAGGOT HOMO ATREYU, then you’re really not selling out, just havin principle changes. Im NOT straight edge, but i’ll tell you one thing, YALL STRAIGHT EDGE KIDS WHO TALK SHIT ABOUT US SMOKERS NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP, I DONT BEEF THAT U HATE ON CIGS SO DONT BEEF WHEN I LIGHT ONE UP, DONT BE IGNORANT.
plus in troy NY, alotta the FSU kids are fucking crackheads, literally, smoke crack blow lines.
Im down with you straight edge kids cuz, well, ur healthier, and i love hardcore, but i smoke pot, and i smoke cigs, I DONT DRINK, and i dont touch any other drugs besides cigarettes and weed. AND JUST HOW YOU HATE PEOPLE CHANGING WHAT YOU LOVE, I DO TOO, FUCK ABOVE THE
INFLUENCE.COM ITS FOR STUPID PEOPLE.
And im in a NON straight edge HARDCORE band.
but basically…instead of uniting under the music we love, yall continue to spread hate, and just fight, if you’re in the throw pit, dont cry to your “Crew” to jump soemone, because you got ur pink shirt and ur ball huggers ripped, pussy, thats what youre THERE FOR, TO GET VENTED. And i believe that thats what some of you are talking about when you say “its changing”. its going from havin fun and gettin aggression out, to a bullshit reason to think ur tough when you have 23 people with you.
yall are just real fuckin segregated AMONGST YOUR OWN KIND. Quit fightin each other or else the bullshit ghettos gonna win. And even moreso than now, everythings gonna be HIP SKIPPITY HOP, and everybody in their predominantly white neighborhoods are gonna still be “hood” while mommy buys them a car.
straight edge, or not, its still hardcore.
I personally don’t care either way, whether or not they decide to make this tv show. In the end, I’m still going to have my edge. But as much as I genuinely don’t care what happens, there are still positives and negatives.
On the bright side, if it happens, it will open a door for a lot of people to something that they might not have found otherwise. I guarantee there was someone around when you claimed edge that didn’t want you to be a part of it, but you stuck with it anyway. (Or didn’t.) Straight edge is such a positive thing that could end up saving a kids life if he happens to be watching the right channel at the right time.
But on the other hand, straight edge has been and always will be a statement of rejection of the normality of society, and it’s drink, smoke, fuck mentality. And if it comes into the mainstream like this there are going to be a lot of people not taking it seriously, but that’s nothing new. And more often than not, straight edge will have a bad light shined on it, because the media wants to make it look like a violent culture filled with cro- magnon men that haven’t found out that beer is good for you.
Positives and negatives aside, put your worries to rest, because it’s not going to happen. This show will never be made, and if it is, straight edge will just be as much of a counter culture, if not more, than it was before.
I used to know some kids from FSU, as I am from mass. Yeah. I walk without fear. I’ve been jumped before, so it doesn’t bother me. I’m not straight edge, I tell people straight up where to go if they don’t like it. I get hit, I have friends. I don’t walk with a crew, but I’ll fight with my fists. Like I said though, I get hit at a local show, I have friends, it’s all I need. We don’t need some stupid crew, friends protect friends.
courage crew is VERY much active
go to a show in cincinati, clevland, covington, and you will see at least 30-40.
+ it is very active in reno nevada area, and expanding.
this is going to turn straight edge into a trend now. not that it already is one. people always jumping in and out of it. but i dont care if we look bad. i bet 90% of the people who watch the show if it gets broadcasted won’t even understand. so fuck mainstream and fuck will and his wife for making us look bad.
I’m sort of torn between this. This will most likely result in negative publicity,as many of you have stated.
On the flipside, I think violence is stupid, and straight-edge people who feel it necessary to beat other people up are retarded, and if the media is going to crucify the Courage Crew (which is ironic seeing as most incidents of violence occur with multiple “crew” members and usually one or two victims facing them), they’ll get what they deserve.
But the straight-edge lifestyle shouldn’t suffer for it, because it’s one of the best and most progressive ideas made in the last century.
Haha, to all of you getting angry about this, get used to it. Punk rock was raped by MTV in the mid 90’s and it became cool. We got all kinds of posers in the scene and everyone was “punk”. You’re about to get an influx of new “sXe” kids and then within a couple of years you won’t see them again. It’s going to happen, you might as well get used to it. Go beat them up once they “sell out” so you can feel better about yourselves.
I think it’s cool that a celebrity is taking interest in Straight Edge, But I think if they made a tv show out of it nothing good would come of it…All kinds of little scene kids would claim edge and then the real crew is not gonna be too happy…It would be cool to watch but I just don’t see it giving the Courage Crew much a better reputation.
Dear Mike,
basically all I can say is if your edge, tight, if not whatever, but if you talk shit on the internet you are a PUSSSSSSAY!
And who gives a shit if your in a NON sXe band? what’s that supposed to mean, who cares if your a band, that isn’t a sXe band? what is the point of the band, to be a band, or NOT sXe? For all those out there saying well im in a NON sXe band and i have an opinion, yada yada yada…, ok, good for you, don’t forget to give urself a big pat on the ass!!! whoooopieeee! hooray your in a NON sXe band, like people are gonna care that your band that isn’t sXe. I LOVE TERROR and they aren’t sXe, but tey don’t go around parading, like yeah ummm we aren’t a sXe band so yeah…. abovetheinfluence.com is for idiots. They are there just to play music and have a good time. I’m just sayin’.
To be honest I don’t think there’s anything wrong with this documentary. People act like this is one giant sellout but you have to acknowledge that Hatebreed touring at Ozzfest and releasing a metal album, or Throwdown selling “X up” pens at hot topic (yes they actually exist) are indications that hardcore sold out ages ago.
It’s up to CXC Ohio to showcase straight edge in a positive light and whether the show damages or helps hardcore is based on how hardcore is showcased. This is hardly the first example of hardcore crew coverage in the media.
All one needs to do is go read the article written about FSU Boston in Rolling Stone and few months back. If anything I’d say this documentary is a vast improvement over the Rolling Stone article because it is the job of edgers in this show to make sure it comes across as positive, whereas with the RS article, it was dependent entirely on the author’s bias.
The RS article laid out the death of an ex-marine at a Boston hardcore show. He was at one point confronted by 2 FSU guys for wearing a shirt with a racist slogan on it. A fight broke out and the marine left. On his way home, the marine was punched with brass knuckles in the back of the head and died. Alexander Hamilton was charged with his murder, but the Rolling Stone article portrayed him as already guilty. A month or so later all charges were dropped and he was proven innocent.
If we’re to dismiss the rumours and violent associations people have with hardcore…than this is the perfect opportunity to dispel such myths.
Likewise, this could only further societies belief that hardcore is dark and dangerous and to be avoided at all costs.
Idk I think this could highlight the positive side of SxE I can’t see will smith attaching his name to something that promotes violence , never the less its cool that will smith and his wife are involved with SxE
I hope it will be like gangland.
First and foremost, Who the fuck cares? Does it really matter what crew its on? If you don’t like it don’t watch it.
im not sure why a lot of you are arguing about crews and who you know and who are sellouts i thought this was about the show
and how the show is gonna portray the reality of straight edge
every crew, gang, clique, scene, group, organization, association, collection of people, humanity as a whole whatever you wanna call more than one person with similar beliefs, has people that will give it a bad rep so you learn to forget those people
good and bad are opinions one group or person will always have of the other
people are different
arguing and fighting over it and shit only hurts your cause and youre no better than either the “sellouts” or the kids that go out and beat people senseless
and i say kids cuz i dont know many grown men thatd do such a thing and claim to have pride or integrity
both sides of that argument are detrimental to the real issue anyways
dont get me wrong i believe you should stand for your cause and fight for it when someone gives you shit for it
but i dont believe anyone should be callin out anyone fighting anyone jumping anyone or really saying shit about anyone without being provoked
just seems to me like a lot of people dont really get what POSITIVE social change is all about
the posi got lost somewhere along the line by a lot of you
like i said in my last post its like its a character trait you wanna say youre edge with your crew or your boys and not be edge for yourself and your family and the world
and whats sad is i dont even consider myself edge anymore because i broke a couple years ago
i dont claim because im young and and have a lot of my life to live before i prove myself as a clean living person
because to me edge you achieve when you die clean and are really a committed MAN OR WOMAN (not a kid) with a family of your own
and its a personal thing for me to TRY to achieve
you dont call yourself the president of the united states because youre running for election
you have to get there first
its an achievement not a title
idk how many different ways i can say that haha
but i choose my lifestyle because i wanna be better than my parents and family growing up around addicts and alchoholics present on a daily basis and make more of myself then what i was born into and what my town has to offer
and i wanna take that and give it back to my family and friends and town so less people go through a bunch of the dumb shit i did
and hopefully my town can give that to other towns and so on thats what change is about
not when you’re young and got a whole life ahead of you to change your mind or fail
but i still believe in social change
and all the ideas behind edge and posi
im not in a crew
im 100% by myself in what i REALLY believe
i see crews and i see good ones and i see bad ones
i choose to be alone because i dont believe i can be an individual or escape comformity if i stick with a group and adopt their opinions
noone believes exactly what i do and noone believes exactly what you do either
not that im sayin you cant be true if you’re in a crew thats just my take and my reason for not being in one
but for what reason would you focus on a person like me and call them a sellout for breaking edge or not being in a crew (anymore for some people) especially if they admit being wrong
doesnt neccesarily mean theyre betrayers and need their asses beat
ya know worry about your own deal do your thing and dont worry about the people who arent real
a crew isnt my family my family is my family
a crew isnt my community my community is my community
friends bros coworkers bandmates etc.
a lot of people just want the rep and im not one of them my reputation doesnt matter cuz i know what i do and what i believe
we probably should be focusin on our goals and not breaking til the day we die and instill that in the people it works for until it becomes a bigger movement and maybe someday itll actually be a true revolution
violence and hate wont get it there
and neither will running in circles crying and preaching to the choir
not tryin to be disrespectful to anyone at all im just sayin people need to CHILL and keep their head in the game and look at the reality of it or its not progress its senseless violence, turmoil, and a lost cause
dont worry about the name or rep of straight edge worry about the reality of the lifestyle and being a better person
whether your xToughx or a bitch shouldnt matter either
since when has being able to fuck someones day up with your fists had anything to do with proving a point or bein the best you can
if people dont wanna be a better person and improve the world let them drink and smoke and fuck cuz its their problem and they dont hurt you or put a bottle in your hand or anything
the show itself isnt gonna be what may be good or bad its the way the viewers and edge culture approaches it and absorbs the the message so how the show goes is up to YOU
sorry if some of that was repetitive and again not tryin to be disrespectful to anyone at all just tryin to throw some insight and honest opinion out there
I thought this post was supposed to be about the TV show. Everyone needs to stop being so scared about whether or not straight edge is going to go “mainstream”. why does it matter? make the show! the world will form negative opinions no matter what. Plus correct me if I am wrong but Rolling Stones Magazine did an article on FSU as an edge crew and National Geographic, the media world has discovered straight edge and there is no stopping them. Violence equals ratings, it may suck that the media will never cover too much of the positive aspect of straight edge no matter what the truth may be. Will Smith will not stop from making the show cause of a forum and you never know what the show is going to exhibit, give it a chance and if it sucks horribly then get extremely angry but the world’s perspective on straight edge wont change so chill.
i agree with the points mentioned by J!D!
w.e. man.
alright let me start off by saying that i dont care either way about this documentary. straightedge will never be “main stream”. many people think that this show will give edge kids bad publicity. thats all bull shit. there is no bad publicity. let all the haters hate. theyre just fucking mad that we live a hella better lifestyle than them.
as for the COURAGE CREW. yeah. im friends with a few guys in the detroit courage crew. the vocalist of xTYRANTx is the leader of MI’s courage crew. and hes actually a pretty chilll guy. sure ive been to a few shows and seen a few people get jumped. they had reasons to do it though. dont assume cause you see the courage crew walking around jumping people that theyre bad people. they dont just randomly hit kids. trust me. they have reasons.
to me this documentary makes me feel proud. cause the word is getting out there that straight edge isnt dead and it will never be dead. if you guys want to really want to go on about this. go ahead. be my guest.
for the guy that said he doesnt know what courage crew is. go to SEVENTH DAGGER FEST on may 24th. haha.
I have been sxe since the early nineties and I live in Ohio. I was in Courage Crew for over ten years and I’m still good friends with a lot of those guys. I can assure you douchebags, no matter what your gay friends tell you they’ve supposedly seen happen firsthand, nobody has ever EVERRRRR been jumped for merely smoking a cigarette and minding his business. I have myself, however, fought people who have blown smoke in my face simply because I had a sxe shirt on. People who claim they have seen this happen are haters just trying to get attention.
P.S. I hope there’s a scene in the show where cXc throws Jazz out the front door and beats up Philip Banks for smoking.
LMFAO xAZHCx.
i think you need to do some research before you spew random shit from your mouth again. While straightedge did get its name from Ian Mckaye, it was actually because he said he ‘had an edge’ on everyone else because of his lifestyle. this is were the name of the song comes from.
In all honesty, you could go read wikipedia and get a more accurate portrayal of where and why it started.
Also, this is fucking stupid. i miss the old scene. Put Judge and Youth of Today in a house together and make it a reality show. now thatd be entertainment.
Well hope to see you guys at SD fest in Cincy we’re gonna party.
xstillkickinx You’re delusional or lying. I can’t tell you how many punk or hardcore shows I’ve seen ruined by courage crew in the 90’s. A lot of people in courage crew back then were puffing their chests and getting high off of adrenaline.
By the way, it doesn’t take much courage for 6 guys to beat up one. They should go by a different name.
Jesus, you people are still blubbering over this?
Get over it.
Everything cool died in 1997.
So I randomly found this. It’s crazy people are still worked up about this, considering it was originally posted in October.
As far as cxcb goes I’ve only had one encounter with them, or people who were claiming cxc. I went to some show in Toledo in ‘04, it was a weekend-long fest. xTyrantx was playing and cxcb had jumped some kid in the pit and were kicking the shit out of him, tearing light fixtures out of the wall, and basically being huge dickheads. I noticed this and went outside to drink some of the vodka I’d snuck in with me and smoke a cigarette. A few seconds later the kid runs out the door of the building, followed quickly buy a group of giant guys who claimed courage crew. one of the big guys asked me where the kid went and i pointed him in the opposite direction.
i mean seriously. twelve on one at a show? fucking up the venue to such an extent that the fest got cancelled barely into it’s first night? fuck that shit.
but for all i know those kids weren’t even crew. i mean fuck. i’m from indiana, i don’t know anything.
left a bad taste in my mouth though.
Hahahaha.
i think this is all hilarious.
fuck crews and edge
straight was relevant like what…15-20 years ago? i don’t need to claim some stupid-ass label or join a gang, oh sorry, “crew” to show off that i don’t drink or do drugs and work to better the community. if anything, the fact that you attend hardcore or punk or whatever shows, is key enough to me that you’re a member of the community and that’s all i need to know. if a person is an asshole in any way, then they are, but i don’t judge them or need them to get some dumb label for me to know they’re “for real” or some bullshit like that.
Straight Edge will Never Die! Let the haters hate! This show is gonna be amazing!
I could not agree with xduderx anymore than I do. I’m 21 and I’ve never done drugs or have gotten drunk. I’ve been dating the same girl for almost 3 years now and she’s the only girl I’ve ever had sex with. We both were “edge” but then I woke up and realized I didn’t need a label for the way I live my life. It’s cool what everyone else thinks because I chill with edge and kids who aren’t day in and day out. Claiming edge decades ago was a part of being in a subculture. There is no such thing as that anymore.
Just as long as you have support for all your friends and whatever scene you’re a part of, respect for everyone around you and you are your own person, you’re alright in my eyes. There is nothing better than being yourself.
Why the X’s then homeboy?
XduderX lame. I’m guessing your about 20 years old, and couldn’t take any more of your “trend”. I’m sure you were the same dude who was SXE, and then got into tie dye shirts and
Dave Matthews. Nice try on dissing something, better luck next time.
This is the lamest conversation on the internet.
those posting about not wanting straight edge having a worse name than it has now….. seriously… if you honestly care about what others think about you, and you’re straight-edge… you’re edge for the wrong reasons… it’s guidelines yo.. it’s setting things straight for yourself.. it’s never been about image so stop complaining about it… get your heads clear
LONG LIVE THE CREW
Fuck you all who dont know anything about it saying that its just a way to fight. Sure there is some problems in the crew just like every other group and club. The crew needs fixed just like edge itself, there are people who claim it, who know nothing about it just to look cool
Will Smith is cool with the crew, but i have heard it may not even happen because of some problems in the crew and a few of them going to prison. If you live in or around the area you know who im talking about. I’m not in the crew but know who they are. Most people shouldnt be worried even if this show does come out. Be EDGE FOR YOURSELF NOT BECAUSE ITS THE COOL UNDERGROUND THING if the media blows this up who the fuck cares it will die down and the true will survive. The crew will be helping to do this project so i dont think it will show to much about making straight edge bad, everyone worries to much about what people thing of edge and it becoming a fad. once again if your edge for yourself who cares what everyone else does.
FREE JC!!!!
AMEN! FREE JC!!!!
will smith is white.
i don’t think this is going to focus on the bad things of being edge
i think its more to show the bond between edgers is alot stronger then with other
plus even though some of them are going to jail
doesn’t mean that the whole crew is bad..
i mean, there are so many bad people within every crew, religion, group, family…
so what..
plus jada probably wants to show the mainstream about it, to let them know that being edge is more then just not drinking, not smoking and stuff
here in holland, almost every parent wants there kids to become edge :p
cuz ever since i became edge did i have less problems with parents of my girlfriends :p
I can only imagine the replies i will get, and i dont care. ive been sxe every day of my 28 years of life. in high school we had our crew and there was close to 20 of us. we minded our own buisness and didnt bother anyone. it was everyone else who bothered us. we couldnt walk down a hallway without some stupid remark being thrown at us or someone challenging what we represented. now 10 years later that crew of 20 has been reduced to 3 who still live by the edge, myself included. why? because the world persecutes those who are different, to them its like hunting and we are the game. my point is, no matter how many youth adopt sxe because of ths show they will only contribute to what will later be referred to as a dying trend when they all break their edge on society’s vices and end up mounted on someones wall. i sincerly doubt that youth today have any sense of commitment and will stick with anything if it proves to be to hard or socially isolating. some will fight back and, some will go to far even, but in the end the majority will fall back into their roles as just another ” brainless clone”. Straight edge is not meant for the world, its for those who have the strength to live it. If this show happens the world will push us, I say when pushed…push back dont let hollywood try to captialize on our way of life and pollute it with half hearted rejects who jump on the wagon. my 2 sense.
xctx
” if your not now, than you never were”
You know what? Many people in the world go their entire lives not using drugs, alcohol, etc. But what’s funny, they don’t feel the need to tattoo goofy ass “X’s” all over their body and flaunt it like they are doing something revolutionary, you know why? Because they aren’t.
Here is a tip:
NOBODY FUCKING CARES!
Thanks, and have a super day.
FYI, the only straight edge ink i have is on the inside of my lip where no one can see it. Because its for me and not anyone else. I dont go out of my way to advertise. Its not about doing something revolutionary and those of us who are sxe know that. And apparently you care enough to feel the need to leave your poorly thought out opinion in this forum. For that matter how are those ” goofy X’s” as you put it any different from you average joe smoe wearing a Budwieser T-shirt or some burn out wearing a pot leave charm on a chain around his neck. It’s not!!! its the same thing, They are (for some unknown reason) proud of their extra curricular activities, as self destructive as they are. So in turn we “X” up or get some tattoo’s that bear our dedication and then we are supposed to what, feel bad about believing in something. I think not, and what does your post have to do with the topic at hand ie. the show? sounds to me like you, like the majoity of other people want to make yourself fell good about yourself by trivalizing what other people believe in. Food for thought.
Here is a tip:
I CARE, AND THAT’S ENOUGH!
Have a super Day
I love men.
haha, everyone who isn’t straight edge is a brainless clone? Get over yourself, you’re living nothing but an underground trend.
I find it interesting that that was the only thing you had comment on from my 2 postings. As usuaul you see only wanted you wanted to see, which was a straight edge talking shit about everyone who isn’t straight edge. I was referring to those kids who may adopt straight edge on the account of the show and then realize they cant, won’t, or dont want to be sxe for life and then drop it as quick as they picked it up. which to me suggests that they follow the pack, cant think for themselves and are easily influenced by the words and actions of others and tada!!!! you have what i call a “Brainless Clone” or “paperdoll”, they look, feel, and think the same of whatever and whoever is cool at the time. Now, as for “you’re living nothing but an underground trend” your attempt at an insult is partially correct. The life I live can be considered underground in the sense thats its not mainstream or secular and sadly most people lack the resolve, fortitude, and dedication to truly be sxe therfore for those individuals you could say that, for them, unfortunetly sxe was simply a trend. Now here is where your statement becomes flawed: I believe that if your not sxe now, than you never were, because sxe is forever. therefore those individuals who broke their edge were never edge to begin with and have no right to claim ever being so. Now try your best to keep up. So if they were never really sxe than how can sxe be a trend when there are real edger’s out there who can rightfully stake claim to the title because they live it every day.
the beauty in life, is mine to know
xCTx
Jay, Jay, Jay. Really? I thought we were making some progress. Now its an “underground trend?” Well, I guess since I’m almost 35 I need to grow up and get off this trend huh?
That would be like me saying that you are an underground trend because you left Ohio to move out west. Or that you only play the drums because its a trend. Sounds dumb huh?
That was directed solely at the guy claiming anyone who isn’t straight edge is a “brainless clone”. People have a right to make their own choices, whether it be getting x’s tattooed on you or having a refreshing beer every once in a while. I myself am the latter. While I don’t get drunk, I enjoy the taste of beer and like to kick back and have one on occasion. Because of that I can’t think for myself, obviously. Only people who don’t do any drugs (except for the ones that are in energy drinks, because those are acceptable to a lot of people who claim edge) can think for themselves. CT, just because someone takes tylenol, or drinks a soda, or god forbid, have a beer, doesn’t mean they can’t think for themselves. Get off of your high horse, you’re no better than anyone else.
Lifeloveregret, take that “trend” post with a grain of salt. I know it reads like a broad generalization, but it was meant solely for the poster I was replying to.
lol. if you say so! apparently you missed the last post.
xCTx
Jay, xCTx actually has a point with the ‘brainless clone’ comment. Many teenagers pick up edge because it sounds cool or extreme.
I’m seventeen & i took up sxe when I was twelve. Two of my friends took it up with me because I was always the one doing weird and unheard of stuff. By the time we were fifteen they both were drinking because someone else told them that that was cool. I chose it because I was serious about living a sxe life.
Half the kids in the scene here who claim it are drones & will move on when told to. Others never claimed because they are true to themselves & others still claim it because we are true to ourselves.
On the topic of the show, it will almost definitely turn straight edge into a teenage fad. Lots of kids within the scene will claim crew to seem hard but once the show loses its first burst of popularity it will die off. I doubt, though, that it will really change the feelings or views of anyone who’s serious about being edge for life.
its not going to happen anyways.
but if it does, who really cares?
everyones values differ because of the things that have affected them and the things they have done/seen. No one will target you out for being straight edge because of this alleged television show. Life is so much bigger than these small things. As long as everyone involved in the show consents to it, why not?
At the risk of beating a dead horse…. All through out history people have both given their lives and taken the lives of others over conflict in what one another believe in. When someone believs in something whole heartedly and lives it everyday they dont want to see it polluted or destroyed… and so they fight. hence the saying “if you dont live for something then you die for nothing”!! those who are sxe live for something even if its only for themselves and I hope edgers will fight for what they belive in to keep the purity of sxe intact. Sadly, and forgive me if my next comment is relevent only to myself, but in my experience, peoples values and belives are usually influenced by majorities rule. Not by their own personal experiences, but by cliche group experiences where everyone says ” that was cool” or “that sucked”. Aside from that your probably right ,no one will target me as a individual sxe because of the show, but sxe will be targeted as a whole in the media and those who are true sxe see something they love smeared so some hollywood big shot’s ie. Will Smith and CO. can put another comma in the piggy banks.
xCTx
well im not sure if this is a good idea or not… i think it would be cool to be able to watch a show about what im all about… but there is going to be alot of pussy shit kids going around thinking their edge when they have no fucking clue..
WORST IDEA
Too much kids will called themselves EDGE when the have no fuckin’ idea what’s sXe really mean.
TV kills reality.
Wow. So apparently nobody is POSI anymore.
We all knew kids that put X’s on their hands when they were 14, but you know what? They believed in it. At least they thought they did. And it’s up to us, the OG’s, to tell them what it’s really all about and to welcome them and hope that they make the commitment. Most of what I’ve read here is foolish and embarassing.
Good publicity, bad publicity, who cares? Catholic priest scandal in the news… Did everybody stop believing in God? Random athlete is in the news… Did everybody stop watching baseball?
Just be happy that the movement still exists. Cool kids, cool music, cool shows.
i’m so glad that the smiths have decided to try and glamorize retarded tribe mentality that revolves around the idea of not smoking cigarettes or doing drugs, beating people up who do, and generally being racist. who gives a shit about some dipshit group of neanderthals from ohio. i got news for you-ohio blows ass and so does being in some “crew”. grow the fuck up and join the real world. thanks jada for your brilliant idea, and will for blowing his cash on a worthless piece of TV garbage. i love the entertainment industry!
So I’m glad that the smiths are going to publicly display a life style that is worth learning about, I’m glad Jada wants to show main stream america that you don’t have to drink, smoke, or fuck to be a normal person. I am pleased that she is taking the time to try to shed light on those who have stayed a steady path, being productive members of society, serving as role models for world wide youth and not being afraid to defend their stance even if that means a retalitory act of violence to maintain their discipline from the outside opressors being it drug dealers, junkies, prostitues, or senseless alcoholics who point the finger at straight edge saying we are the ones who are wrong.
That guy is gonna be the first one to get hooked on the show. Let the haters hate.
So, some random kid who’s smoking a cigarette outside of a show is an oppressor and needs to get beat down by 6 people? After all they need to “defend their stance”.
Effing retard.
Okay first off, I don’t care if someone disagrees with me on what I say, just wanted to leave my thoughts on this. To the people saying that if your 14 your probably doing it just to look tough and cool. Well i’m 14 going on 15 and i’ve been edge my whole life. I don’t push my opinions on anyone who isn’t edge. I do it for myself. Theres barely any sxe people that I know of, and that does disappoint me a little. Mainly because its such a healthly lifestyle, but its there life and they can live the way they want to. So what i’m saying is catagorizing an age group under one description isn’t accurate. Yeah there are kids out there that are just doing it to look “tough”, and they don’t even know the true meaning of straight edge. I plan on being sxe my whole life, all I have to do is look around me at the people who aren’t. Alcoholics driving drunk killing themselves. Tobacco giving you black lungs. Stuff like that is what keeps me going strong you could say.
Shut up. You’re only 14. That means you’re not allowed to have an opinion. You’ll be a drunk with big X’s tattooed on your neck and hands by the time you’re 27.
Your elder-
Oh really tough guy? Just cause im 14 im not allowed to have an opionion. I beg to differ. And the who the fuck are you to tell me what i’ll do with life and what happens. Got out of your moms basement for once and get a life.
Haha, that’s cute. Are you going to get your crew of 14 year olds to come get me? Once all of your sXe friends sell out you’ll be conflicted for a while and realize your “scene” and “individual thought” are nothing but a fun thing to do when you’re young. It happens to all of us. The sooner you realize this the better off you’ll be. Sometimes you just have to grow up and realize that drinking is fun and can be enjoyed by people who’s balls have dropped.
As far as living in my mom’s basement: I did that when I went through my cute little phase of being edge. Now that I’ve grown up and don’t have a convenient excuse not to drink (you don’t drink because it’s easy not to. It’s hard to get alcohol at your age) I don’t live with mommy. Hell, son you act like you pay your own bills and are self supporting. Go get a job and a house and then talk to me about “living in mommy’s basement”.
Jake 1 Your Elder 0
I think not.
Thanks Life
and as for Elder
Your seriously not worth my time arguing over the internet for. Sorry i’m not gonna end up like you when I grow up. And as for the alcohol is hard to get at my age, that’s incorrect by a long shot. I just have to turn my head and there it is. But I don’t even bother with it, never have and never will. Saying that drinking is fun and people can enjoy it is a pretty fucking dumb remark. So whats so “fun” about a drunk guy getting into his car and killing someone innocent. I guess its OK because you had fun getting drunk. That’s pretty much what your saying. Saying that your “cute little phase” of being edge ended when you moved out of your moms basement, shows you were never true straight edge. So don’t come on this forum to tell people who are edge and know what it is, and say that it’ll only be a phase and you realize how fucking “COOL” it is to drink,smoke, or whatever. Here’s a news flash buddy, its not.
I have never gotten into an accident because of driving drunk. That’s probably because I don’t drive drunk. Assuming everyone who drinks gets drunk and/or drives while drunk just shows your ignorance. I can have a beer or two and enjoy myself without getting plastered, and I never drive with a buzz. You need to get your little ass off of your high horse and realize there are extremes of any situation. Driving drunk and killing people is the extreme of drinking. Not all who drink kill. I was just fishing w/ my previous comments. I never have been sXe and never will be. However, you act like you’re so much better than anyone who drinks, but you’re sadly mistaken. I know plenty of your kind who have jumped people 6 to 1 for smoking a cigarette. Yep, all people who are sXe are better than all people who are not. You’re 14, dude, you have a lot of growing/learning to do.
I never said everyone who drinks go and drives, all I said was just some scenario. But their are a lot of people are do drive drunk and injure/kill themselves and other people, look it up. And I don’t act like i’m better than people aren’t edge, its just fucking tools like you who piss me off, thats all. Don’t you have something better to do than argue with 14 year old?
This thread is why straightedge sucks.
You guys suck. This is the dumbest argument on the internet.
Congrats.
Enjoy your life. Most places have cheap beer for $1 during happy hour. Get used to PBR and Miller Lite, you’ll be drinking plenty of it when you get older.
okay! first, “Your Elder”…damn use the half of the money of one beer in happy hour and buy a life…or a bullet. I´m 27 years old… excuse my english I´m from south america so…(we speak spanish) I´ve been sxe around 13 years I´m proud hardline, no fascist no bonehead…true Hardline!! so that new scare me a litlle, every time i see sxe in tv it was negative, or denigrant for the sxe moviment, i respet will smith as actor and as family man he show great family values so I think we (sxe) don´t want to be the employeed of the month, we don´t want to be the perfect guys in the perfect world… the human exist so the world it´s what it is but sure o perfect, so this will be publicity that we don´t need , if it good publicity GREAT! more kids having a chance if they want a $1 beer or not… or to be sxe and help that other kids have this options, bad publicity… dude, tv history once and again just laught of it and… life go on. okay excuse my english i hope your understand what i want to say.
X straightedgeX true romantics.
who fuckin cares that some 14 year old thinks hes edge or who sold out or not
honestly what are you gaining arguing over the internet about that shit
big fuckin deal
and i havent seen 1 person at a show get jumped for smokin around courage crew kids
yah i seen kids get jumped
but for a complety different reason
usealy talkin shit
but seriously
this forum is about a tv show am i right?
so why is everyone talkin shit about selling out
or whos edge and who isnt
also i think the show will be good will smith is a great actor and i highly doubt he will make courage crew look bad
i seriously dont know why everyone cares about the show. it could be decent but really who cares what it says about straight edge and what kinda rep it could give us. its about you and your own beliefs and not worrying about what everyone else thinks about you. just stay true to yourself in whatever choices you might have to make in life
I can assure you that I won’t be needing a lot of cheap alcohol when I get older. You keep on saying i’ll be drinking, but my life is life far different (in a better way) than yours. Therefore I don’t need to resort to alcohol to relieve whatever is wrong. Life your fucking life and stop trying to predict mine dipshit.
Hey xDJx, I don’t “think” i’m edge, I am. Seriously, calm down. Your flipping out over a god damn forum for christ sake.
LifeLoveRegret, you represent us well and I’m proud to call you a friend. I love you.
i saw 2 courage crew guys on the hills season premiere at the pool party….wtf???!!!! omggggggggggg
I don’t claim straight edge, but I support it. I think it’s a good moral code to live by and i’m sick of all these people hating on it. When you really think about it, it could be a good religion. haha.
and for everyone who hates it because it’s another label, everything is a label. You can be labeled as Caucasion, or Russian, or even Old. haha.
ohh noo bad idea!
Well kids, there goes the neighborhood.
Straight Edge isn’t a group…its a commitment.
I don’t want some scripted tards representing me and how people will think of me. Straight Edge is a commitment made by individuals, no one else is along for the ride, so when I say I’m edge, i don’t want people thinking of the uneducated screw ups they saw on the tube last night during dinner. we aren’t super heroes, animals, experiments, or freaks, so we don’t need freaking documentaries about us or TV shows directed by soon to be washed up actors. Nothing against anyone I may have mentioned, its just we don’t need this, we have done nothing to deserve this…just let us do what we do best, stay underground. Man I miss the old days.
“uneducated screw ups”? please explain. “Straight Edge is a commitment made by INDIVIDUALS, NO ONE ELSE is along for the ride” but then your final statement is “WE don’t need this…….just let US do what WE do best”. oh, and nice job “staying underground” by posting on the internet.
Underground? Where the hell have you been? I’m pretty sure things like Hot Topic and shitty bands like Hatebreed killed that years ago.
Monkey, nice job taking everything I said literal. You obviously missed my point completely. I meant we who have made the commitment, the real deal, not we the ones who join sweet crews and buy all the cool merch or need our friends to keep us from selling out. What i am trying to say….if no one else on this planet was edge, I would still be edge. Most people cant say that, you never see one person at a time selling out…they go in groups. Which is my point. And by the uneducated statement I meant that I don’t want anyone else representing my life choice other than myself. What if they show a bunch of retards on the show? If you wear a Straight Edge people well be like “look honey, its one of those tards.” And to LLR I’m talking the true subculture straight edge. Yes it still exists. When they try to take it public it only lasts a season or two before they all sell out. The world as a whole is not ready for true purity from drugs and alcohol and that is why it would be bad for it to go mainstream. Some people just don’t get Straight Edge.
Monkey-Oh and nice job knowing what underground means by thinking we can never talk about it on the web or everyone will know!
I’m courage crew and I’ve been straight edge for 16 years, I don’t think I’ll be selling out any time soon…..and how do you “wear a straight edge”?
Your Courage Crew? No way! I didnt know the crew was some random dude on the internet. sweet. And sorry about typo, Straight Edge shirts. And I never said YOU would sell out…but in all those years..how many times have you seen “lifers” sell out? You can only speak for your self.
Well, make that a random dude #2. Monkey and I have seen a lot of people aell out over the years. But that still doesn’t mean that everyone is. If you know anything about cxc, then you would know that most of them/us are in our late 20’s to mid to late 30’s. So when you say “When they try to take it public it only lasts a season or two before they all sell out. ” I’m pretty sure it doesn’t describe any of us.
True True!!!! People dont know what CXC is all about. So they just asume and listen to rumors that other people tell them. If they did know they would want in.
this can really ruin not only the ohio scene but the music for everyone,it will not only focus on the brutality that coms into play with straight edge but on the music because people think thats why the violence comes into play and i personally hope it doesnt affect what society already puts down and sees as just violent.Its not about that and its not about being cool or beating up kids or getting kids into something they think is cool just to be in a fad or sell out later.It should be about brotherhood and a life long commitment that people sacrifice for there beliefs in a positive manner,but i really REALLY dont see them focusing on that aspect, and whether your straight edge or not its about your single beliefs, i have plenty of friend who are edge and plenty who arent but we still all get along as long as there is that line of respect and not offending each other and each others beliefs.I just dont want to see it bashing straight edge and giving it a bad name or giving hardcore a bad name.
Yes, I’m courage crew just like YOU’RE straight edge. Got it? I’ve seen plenty of “lifers” come and go but you implied that most people in crews sell out together. Sure there are guys that were courage crew that ended up selling out but I don’t know of any that sold out together. You come across as an elitist who thinks you’re the only one who knows what straight edge is all about. I sense some jealousy that the Smith’s aren’t doing a show about you. You say you’re straight edge for yourself and that’s it, so if that’s the case why don’t you just claim to be drug free. Why are you straight edge? It’s a brotherhood no matter how you want to spin it.
if you want brotherhood join a frat. Your friends should be your friends because you like each other, enjoy each others company, not solely because you both claim a stupid label.
I mean seriously, do any straight edge people just stop and think, why do i need to give claim the title straight edge? It’s ridiculous. If you don’t do drugs or drink, then okay, if you do, whatever. Why do you fucking have to have a label for it and then turn into this whole big deal and get all defensive about it, etc. etc. Goddamn, be yourself.
XDUDERX Why the label? Ummmm why the fuck do you have X’s around your name? Again I’ll ask, why the label?
UHHHG I’m not talking about CXC. I’m talking about the impact that this show will have on little kids and everyone else. And I know just a little about Courage, I’d be in it if the chapter here wasnt so gay. You are missing my point, I’m not bashing Crews, I’m bashing the fags that find out about crews from Hot Topic and join them to be “HXC” and totally “SXE”. I don’t know how to put this clearer, you guys are just picking it apart cause you didn’t get my point at first so now you think im bashing you or something. And yes, I do think I’m better than a lot people, its true. But I don’t think I know more about straight edge then some on 10 years older than me.
What “chapter” would that be? And you can’t just decide to be courage crew, so I doubt you’d be in no matter what “chapter” you were close to.
904 Jax. A lot of my friends are or used to be but it was more of a trend down here than anything else. And I know you cant just decide, the stars have to be lined just right and I must complete seven quests….oh wait its a little easier then that. Like I said, I have no disrespect for crews, just some kids in them are fake. Im sure in Ohio you wont see too many like that in Courage. But once it becomes common knowledge everyone will be sporting Dog Tags that say Courage Crew. And that has already happened.
Where you from XGodFilledYouthX?
NVM
XDUDERX, saying you’re straightedge is no different than saying your catholic. oh, you believe in one god and worship him on sundays and eat a cracker and drink wine thinker it’s his blood!? why the title, can’t you just worship without the title? we have titles because it’s a clear cut way to describe who we are and what we’re about. get over your “i don’t need a label to define myself” high school years ok?
Monkey, do you know Alex from Romeo, MI?
*thinking* it’s his body and blood, oops, lol
Whatever, buat that movie is not “the only one and only” standard of degree of how Straightedge you are.
xSELL OUT ALWAYS SINKSx
jada is one of the biggest posers in history.
i promise that if this happens, it wont be done well (just like her shitty nu metal band), it wont be legitimately researched(just like her shitty nu metal band), and its not gonna do anybody any favors. i would highly suggest any CC members out there to shoot this down as hard and as fast as they possibly can
I just wanted to say that I am from Ohio and have seen many altercations by the CXC towards people not involved. This happened for absolutely no reason… just to fight. They have ruined shows from their bullshit negativity towards people who have choices and caused bodily harm to way too many people. One day, the NON-CXC are going to stand up and take them out. They are fading away. Not to mention, I think they are a bunch of pussy bitches that can’t stand up for themselves… hence the fact they need a crew to claim. CXC…. fuck you
sigh…. I posted here a few months back and see the battle still rages!! To be honest I like this blog whether your straight edge or not its good to see people passionate about something. My question is…for those of you on here bashing sXe is that your passion in life? Do you have nothing better to do with your time, and why concern yourself with something that has ntohing to do with you. Now for those of us who are sXe I can understand the mixed emotions and conflicts of opinion because sXe is who we are and what we live but for those of you here only to talk shit, you need to get a life. To xduderx: Whats wrong with a “label” or a “title” personally i see nothing wrong with it. In fact if recall I believe the term “straight edge” was coined as a metaphor for the life style. And while you call it a “stupid fucking lable” I call it an idea to which like minded people rally too. sort of like our nations flag but with X’s instaed of stars and stripes. Or for that matter any nations flag, or how about the NFL, NBA, LAPD, UCONN, USA, hell how about even AA, lol. All could be considered a label, so why the dig on SXE? Oh ya because we get all defensive etc. etc. etc. Well lets see how about when the red sox win or loose and boston dam near has a riot, does that count as being defensive and creating a big deal over a small group of individuals who are bonded together for the love of a game? What about AA they lable themselves, they are a group of like minded people who get together and share an addication. Point is I call myself straight edge because I’m proud of who I am and like a couple hundred thousand other people all through out history I’d rather wave my flag proudly and live for something. Well perhaps I’ve rambled long enough.
“if you dont live for something, than you die for nothing”
xCTX
honestly I know its gonna make straight edge look bad. but i’ve come to accept that our image will never recover after what FSU, the Salt Lake City incident, and Earth Crisis did to it. Is there honestly anymore damage that can be done after that jerk from Earth Crisis let that right wing media shill Jeraldo Rivera bitch him out? So honestly, I’m looking forward to the show solely for comedic value because I have a sense of humor.
Mr. Apple,
You are probably no older than 18 years old, and you have been listening to rumors from the past. However, if you are so tough, I can get you a fight with someone one on one if you would like. This is only because you are using some pretty heavy words.
i have never drank smoked or done any kind of drugs my entire life, but being from a small town in Indiana, i was not even exposed to sxe until my sophomore year of hs when cinci bands started playing in my town.
it was about that time when everyone decided to claim. pretty much all of my friends. back then i just figured i was already sxe and just didnt know it since it was already how i lived. i didnt cosider it a label of any kind. i just figured since i lived that way i was.
the next year, some of my older friends started moving away to college…. almost all of them broke edge at practically the same time. i had really respected and looked up to these individuals in hs because of their supposed dedication to sxe and how they were going to stay that way all their lives.
it was then that i started to kind of view it as a label. i decided that claiming just ment you would eventually break. thats what happened with almost all of my friends. so i disclaimed.
i was young. a year or two later i met a cinci boy at a show. he was of course sxe and very much into the shows and music. he tried constantly to change my views of it and show me that it wasnt really like that if it was something you really believed in. so eventually i got the point and decided to reclaim.
i still to this day have never done any drugs of any kind and have also never drank. i never plan too. drugs and alcohol disgust me and i have a hard time respecting anyone who participates in those activities.
as for the show, if its done right i think it could be an extremely good idea. there are probably alot of kids out there who have never heard of sxe or anything like it. exposing them to it could make the world a better place and solve alot of problems. the more sxe people in the world the better.
if your one of those people who thinks you must be hxc to be sxe, then your not sxe because of what it is and because it could make the world a better place. your sxe because its part of your “scene”.
I hate how theyre broadcasting this everywhere. It started underground and that is exactly where it should stay. With the people it was made by and for. haha I def. agree with xSLCSEx, that rules.
Kids are claiming because they want to be tough/tuff. they don’t even know the true meaning of it, and how much willpower it takes. and when assholes broadcast it like they know what the fuck theyre talking about, it starts to make me lose faith in the human race even more.
Claim for the right reasons, not for a trend/fad youre turning it into.
fuck the smiths.
there’s a lot of mother fuckers on here who have a lot to say behind closed doors. i fuckin hate the internet and blogs like this make me fuckin insane because most of them are filled with a bunch of makeshift motherfuckers who wouldnt spit half the shit they talk to a real ass dudes face. but readin shit like this is frustrating. i dont know how many times the point can be reiterated , hardcore and straight edge has been over publicized and mainstream for a while now. people need to embrace the change and support this. its not just the media that distorts the overall outlook on straight edge and hardcore, hence the boston beatdown videos or the discovery channels documentary. boston beatdown was produced by a crew of dudes who showed shit that really happens in the hardcore scene, i think the dvd’s are wack bullshit and way to dramatized but its real shit, people need to know both sides of the spectrum why leave people in the dark about shit that does happen, if people wanna know let em fuckin have it. i think if this show happens it will disappoint the masses because its gonna show a bunch of real ass loyal dudes doin things contrary to what viewers will expect. like workin out, helpin each other in troubled times, hangin out and stayin active in the community, displayin what brotherhood is really about not just glorifying courage crew but a select few straight edge dudes in general. despite what people think there is still hope and from my experience and several months of livin in a house with a majority of courage crew dudes residing there it gave me nothing but motivation to clean my ass up and get my shit straight. so fuck all you who speak in step with the other ill informed fucks on this post. bein straight edge or bein a part of hardcore is about bein out of step with the rest so start usin your fuckin brains and stop agreein with the fagot who has the post above you. ive only been straight edge for six years and can only hear stories and dream about what hardcore and straight edge was back in its prime but ive learned to roll with the punches and live with what im givin with pride. i truly hope they go through with this show not only so a show airs that is prolly worth watchin but to piss the rest of you off
ps i couldnt agree with xctx more probably one of the smartest dudes in this thread
this bitching is pointless. Nobody cares about what we have to say, and we’re all fighting over stupid shit.
As long as your living your life the way you want, fuck the rest.
Don’t talk shit on other peoples lives, it brings you to a whole new fucking low.
My personal experience with straight edge involves a gang of them showing up where my brother was hanging out and trying to pick a fight and saying they had ‘weapons’. I think the basic theme they try to present of ‘no drugs’ is impressive and a great idea, but each person needs to remember they represent themselves, and when in a group, the represent that groups name also. If straight edge wants to be seen as a gang, they have the equation right unless they include NON-Violence in their mission. If you also include a dash of community service, or just plain ‘helping others’, this group will be welcomed with open arms.
the way people handle straight edge is so fucking distorted. it was never about how cool you were for being “straight edge” it wasn’t about fitting in. it was about doing whats right for you and you only. its so frustrating, i know what i want to say i just cant find the words to say it.
wow ya know today i was looking up stuff about straight edge, trying to gain as much info as i could and see what its all about b/c i heard about it from some places.
but after reading many things people posted, i’m scared of the whole straight edge thing.
i was looking into it b/c i wanted something to support my drug free lifestyle and let people know that i’m clean, but still hardcore and stuff.
but people are just too judgemental and the thought of being called a fake little poser or “scene fag” is too much and kind of scaring me away from the “straight edge” stuff…
just saying..
In the same reguard of xlynnx
I claimed straight edge because I never wanted to do anything I saw growing up in the ghetto in nyc.I was into rap and everything but there was no one out there saying anything different just the same drugs,women,and look at how cool I am.
Straight edge belongs to nobody not a single “crew” or person can take it and say this is mine you can’t have it.I’ll admit it I really don’t even listen to straight edge bands.The point is I found it and I know there are people like me who rather tough shit out then give into the glamourless life of sex,drugs,and rock and roll.
If another kid doesn’t commit whatever no big loss because it doesn’t weaken me.Straight edge is just a couple of words a label given to us so that we don’t have to say “No dude I don’t drink,smoke,or do drugs” its not in the x’s on our hands the tattoos on our body but in our will.Its a commitment to ourselves and no one else.
So bring on the show because if its a hit or a flop guess what it does for me, nothing.If it shows a few new people what I believe is a better way of life that’s only positive.If it bastardizes straight edge then fine I’m a bastard because no ones opinion of me matters anyway.Suck on that mainstream media
this band from minnesota “Relentless”, has shirts that say “drug free adult” on them, pretty funny, they are really good too, similar to terror hardcore
Relentless is a good band and Even better! Solid Dudes! Minnesota has a few good straight edge bands. Can Not Forget Birth Of A Hero!
yea i frickin love BOAH, brett’s a cool guy
have heart tomorrow at the triple rock!!!!
I agree the strait edge scene is slighty distorted. But, on the other hand, there are some total lunatics out there. I’m from the Troy, NY area and I know of a few incidents. One kid who was walking down the street with his buddies, was wearing a FSU(Floridia State) hat…he was pummled for sporting the college’s gear. Rediculous. Another person, although he may have deserved it…got his nose bitten off for “sticking his nose where it don’t belong”. I’m not making this shit up. I’ve been to a few shows (Burning Human, Deciples of Berkowitz,Gunther Weezul, Last Call…) and I’ve never seen FSU erupt any chaos during the shows so I give them that. Sometimes you just have to stay out of their way regardless. There was just an hour long special on Discovery HD about FSU, strait edge and Troy, NY. Check it out!
i don’t think straight edge will ever be completely mainstream.
it could be very well known and yeah, it is a trend for many sceanster scums but i think the trend aspect of it is dying down.
it seems to be difficult for people, especially teenagers, to understand our mindset on being drug free or to see it as any form of rebellion. hence most people won’t see it as “cool” and the uprise will be limited. all you can do is remember you have something that they never have and never will.
From day one, shool, peers and media…push us to fit in certain ways, imtimidated, shamed pressurized….into an untrue identity.
the bastard mob..whose aim it is..to keep me in check..cant hold me down…with their mockeries.. or put the noose around my neck…Those brainless clones repulse me, so I walk alone, and all i need is one friend called truth..and my heart is its home..this world wont defeat me. I wont be a victim, to venomous ways around mem this hellish enviroment is not my master, day upon day ive listened to your threats, year after year ive watched you deteriorate…I HAVE MY OWN MIND AND MAKE MY OWN CHOICES, AND MY OWN LORD IN THESE DAYS…. FROM NO ON THIS WORLD WONT DEFEAT ME..
From day one, shools, peers and media…push us to fit in certain ways……..DO YOU WANT THE MEDIA TO PUSH THE NEXT GENERATION OF SXE INTO IT FOR THE WRONG REASONS IN MASSES!!!
I say we stick with the few and the proud!!
“The beauty in life is mine to know!!!
its not about the reasons for why people are edge… its the whole point about having less people in the world who drink and do drugs…
the more people who know about sxe i think the better. the more people who know the more people who will pick it up…even if they are just following a trend.. who cares? one less person who drinks and does drugs.
this isnt about whose sxe and whose not and keeping it all underground cause you want it to be yours… i wish everyone was edge. the world would be better.
$tr8 3dg3 1z @ g@ng
CC, and FSU are some of the best people I’ve ever met in hardcore. They support the scene be it through putting on shows, supporting touring bands, doing security and helping out at venues. Most kids, and thats what most these posters are, don’t know what it takes to run a show, or to be a touring band. If it wasn’t for the people that support and run all the shit behind the scenes, they wouldn’t have shows to go to. FSU Boston for one is soley responsible for the Boston Hardcore Scene still going strong, between Bridge 9 and Kris Mission, Brockton Crew you got a scene that keeps supporting some of the bands that you kids jock on a daily basis. But keep on believing the drama and stories, cause when you are gone in a few years most of us will still be here moshing, singing along and supporting hardcore.
DocX GAMC
They are both tapping into something that runs way deeper than they can imagine. I think it’s great for people to have the straight edge ideals of keeping your body pure and staying clean, but enforcing it with violence is no way to get your point across. people have been jumped and beaten for smoking cigarettes. This is america, and for hundreds of years we’ve worked to have freedom and have our voices HEARD, not beaten into other people. Why don’t you look at the entire history of the “courage” crew, real easy to have courage with 7 people behind you to enforce your ideals on others and jump people who don’t agree with all your ideals. This is a horrible idea and is only enabling violent acts against anyone who disagrees, and if you read the lyrics of some of these songs you would know that. congratulations, you’re continuing to ruin what this whole movement was started for.
Fuck, they’re going to think that sXe is a fashion icon now, this idea is bullshit, i love courage their a badass crew but straight edge does not need the endorcement of a celeberity to put it out there for kids to think they can walk around with x’s on their hands just because they think the idea of being edge, is cool, it’s not about the title, it’s about the meaning of our lifestyle(s) I am Straight Edge =) xPankakex
courage crew was at modern life is war’s last show that crews a joke just a bunch of tough guys, might as well be frat boys. no one cares how tough you think you are? beating up people cause they smoke haha what strokes and fsu would destroy you
Deploy: Maybe you don’t understand this but FSU, CC and the other large crews work together to help the scene. Most of them are friends with each other and help each other out with bands, promotion, touring, security and so forth. Alot of the small hometown scene crews like to cause trouble and shit, however there is no crew war or beef between the big boys. These men keep things running behind the scenes, and without them alot of the hardcore shows would not be possible. If these hardcore men didn’t promote and run the scene it would fall into the hands of local bars/clubs that have no idea about hardcore and you don’t want that to occur. That leads into bouncers beating up kids for dancing and stage diving, badly booked tour packages where the bands get no promotion and can’t sell any merch, as well as many other fucked up results. Also, anyone that thinks that CC walks around and beats up anyone that is smoking, or drinking ia moron, and needs to stop repeating bullshit they read on the INET.
DocX GAMC
i think this is an amazing idea ive met will and jada at an edge fest a few years ago and they are serious about protraying sxe in a positive way. they are legitimate friends of Courage Crew. and just so you know CC is VERY much alive and well and growing bigger and stronger everyday CC isnt “everything thats wrong with sxe” i know guys in CC and they are the nicest guys ive ever met and they would do anything for me and husband and im not even edge did i get asked if i was edge when i met them? yes did they care or make a big deal? no one of our closest friends is actually is best friends and lives with 2 CC guys and is a raging alcohalic ive actually called my CC friend to dd for me on my birthday and he said of course no problem your family Courage Crew is more then a crew its a family
ps-at shows ive seen many a fight where a CC guy got jumped and he still beat the hell out of 3, 4, even 5 guys. and at those same fight other CC guys were trying to keep more people from jumping in
Murph, CXCB doesn’t beatdown someone for smoking or drinking and they do not force there beliefs on others. If someone does get it, it usually is for disrespecting . People are so stupid and don’t understand.
Deploy, I was there for that show and no one got beaten up. One kid got hit but we know him personally. MLIW asked us to stand up there to hold kids back because the stage broke, not because we are CXCB and trying to be tough guys, bunch of us have been freinds with them for a really long time.
There are plenty of sell outs in Iowa! Bunch of haters! hahahahahaha
omg they shouldnt do this cuz then straight edge will be a trend nd thats stupid. straight edge is a life choice and most people will just say they r straight edge nd not be this is dumb they shouldnt do this ..they r also gonna burn out hardcore too..>:X
I am sick of kids posting these hate blogs about hardcore and straight edge knowing nothing about it. I can’t bitch too much because I am doing it. But I agree with several other that the poster of this is fucking retarded for saying the courage crew isn’t still around, and this is a shit idea. Worse than Viva la bam. Fuck the media.
you guys are all so selfish and arent thinking about the bigger picture. who cares if sxe is a fucking trend? the point is at least for that amount of time there will be less people in the world drinking and doing drugs. i know that would make me happier. if that would piss you off cause sxe is supposed to be “underground”…. well your just a complete idiot. as long as theres people who keeps this going and keep it real its not going to change. maybe over time, but thats bound to happen no matter what.
I don’t understand why people are fighting over what’s right and what’s wrong. Straight edge was NEVER intended to turn into what you’re making it. It doesn’t matter if you don’t like the kids that are claiming, it doesn’t matter if you don’t think they can live up to it. As long as YOURE content, and YOURE proud of your lifestyle, and your choice to be, or not be, straight edge, why does it matter? Straight edge was a personal choice made by people back then, and people now. The fighting and bickering is pointless, accept each others opionions and just fucking chill. Its youre life, who the fuck cares what other people do with theirs? if they fail, if they sellout, then yeah whatever, its an i-told-you-so situation, good for you. but regardless, it shouldn’t matter. do whats right for you. because in the end, you is all you fucking have.
yeah lets make a show about a crew that turns teen kids that dont know anybetter than to steal stuff and bring it to this certaint house to pawn it off
It’s disgusting movie if you’re publicing violoence!
Will Smith is not a SxE. So he knows nothing about this pride.
So get the fuck out of this stuff, Will…
XXXlifetimeXXX
Courage Crews just messed up any ways…who in their right mind would ever support a crew that gangs up on non-straight edge kids and jumps them? honestly will smith…go fuck your self…Courage Crews just a bunch of thugs and shouldn’t get any recognition whats so ever…
(never buying another will smith movie ever again, this is nuts)
hey for future reference if you gonna talk shit stop using a forum to do it go out find a courage crew dude tell him how you feel and see where that gets you i mean really, you only make yourself look dumb by acting tough on the internet. As for Will Smith, Hancock was dope!!
I can’t believe they are making a show about courage crew. I had a friend beat up by them and put into the hospital. why the hell would anyone make something as stupid as this! for one will and jada smith probably know nothing about straight edge in the first place and second i know plenty of decent people who are straight edge and awesome and don’t feel the need to beat the shit out of everyone who doesn’t believe what they do…make a show about them not about these stupid fucks.
blah blah blah. I knew a friend who blah blah blah.
Besides, I’m sure a show about some super nice, normal guys would be REALLY interesting.
hmmmm
still a bunch of fags who spout meaningless bullshit about “mainstream evil”
this is going to give us SUCH bad names, again. Straight Edge is about brotherhood, not violence. We’re just living our lives clean and sober, and free of all the bullshit that society pushed down our throats.
and yeah, crews exist. but this chick is going to publicize it and make it look like a gang, and just keep all the dumb interviews, and no show any of the heart.
the nazi regime was one of the worst stints of history ever recorded, yet there have been over 7 films about it released in the past year alone. not comparing courage crew to the nazi’s…completely but if something fascinates someone with will smith status they can and most likely will make a movie about it no matter how taboo it is or how much or little they know about it. honestly, i would like to see this film because it sounds interesting.
secondly, the “media” isnt going to give courage crew a bad name, courage crew gave itself a bad name by allowing themselves to be grouped with such people that use violence and ignorance as their moral codes. not to say that all of the cc members are like these people, but there is a large number that is. the movie is about courage crew…the gang…not straight edge. the courage crew is a straight edge gang but straight edge is not a courage crew life style. to argue that your straight edge image will be tainted by this film is the same as arguing that one’s harley riding image will be tainted by the films and tv shows about the various biker gangs that have come and gone over the years.
third, brittany is very correct. its a personal choice to be straight edge just like being vegan or any other personal choice. straight edge is about being clean and living your life above the influence of drugs and alcohol and like any other groups of people who share strong common ground there is a sense of brother/sisterhood. when you bicker about the “image” your helping straight edge become a mainstream trend, which if you ask me its already there, and thus making yourself look bad.
Ron Fox! Remember the Green Tokai 500 back in the early 90s? And Denny’s return of the jedi lunch box with Sharpie’d afros on everyone? ha! those were some fun times at that shit job.
Oh shit..i almost forgot. Remember Lion-o with is 200 dancing girls and his beeper?
I’m going to start off by saying I respect straight edge, it’s core values are something i can respect but cannot say i live by. I’ve been going to hardcore shows since around 2001 and i’ve seen the scene around michigan grow and change.
when I was about 16 i started hearing about straight edge and what its values were. i was already living by those values but i thought the thought of claiming to something like that was something i couldn’t commit to. i didn’t understand the point of claiming to straight edge before the age of 21 any way, besides the sex part isn’t living by the values of straight edge just obeying the law? i played in a few bands around the lansing,MI area with straight edge members and knew a few guys from out of town in crews, CxC being one of them. When i played in bands with straight edge kids, they would tell me about it, and lead by example which in my opinion is the best way to spread straight edge. i personally am not straight edge, i do inhale (lol) i drink on weekends and i still go to the occasional show. but i also have a nice house, pay all my bills on time attend MSU and have a high GPA.
what the main stream media needs to realize is theres a alot of different kinds of straight edge, the militant crews of straight edge are bringing it a bad name. there is no reason to out number someone and jump them. if you have a problem with someone, deal with it yourself. its one thing to back up a friend if some dudes giving a hard time, its another to start a fight with someone then have 10 of your friends beat his ass when he swings back.
if straight edge kids just lived to the values of straight edge, and didn’t bring attention upon themselves by starting big fights, usually out numbering who they are beating up. then there wouldn’t be a tv show about to be put about about their crews. plain and simple.
in michigan the scene was doing pretty well in 2004-06. now the scene is dead and i personally blame the crews that show up to shows who feel the need to tear up a venue and beat up girls.
i’ve seen too many xtyrantx shows to count. and every single time they play i see someone get hurt. its unneeded. you guys are ruining yourselves. get more face tats please so i never have to work with you people at a job
Whether your straight edge, or not your beliefs are yours so you can achieve to be the best person you can possibly be, and when i see senseless violence in our scene it disgusts me. This is not what hardcore is about, you don’t beat someone down because you don’t like the fact that that person is smoking a ciggarete, that is pu**y a** fa*ot Sh**, sense when does it take 4 grown men to fight one dude, cowards. Your fathers should had taught you better and maybe how to fight if you got to jump someone, anyways if you wanna pawn your crew off as some brotherhood of like minded people thats one thing, but grow the f**k up if it is excuse to spread your feeble-minded beliefs and anger your nothing more than another stupid gang to make yourself feel better and socially excepted, your in the wrong scene. You eventually be grown men crying in corners playing emotional music. This scene is about heart, keep it positive people, we are trying to fix social decay and whats f**ked up in this world, we don’t need people ruining this scene, that is why we have this musical preference for an outlit for anger or what have the
Beer: est. ca. 9000 BCE
Wine: est. ca. 6000 BCE
Smoking of Tobacco: est. ca. 5000 BCE
Smoking of Cannabis: est. ca. 3000 BCE
Smoking of Opium: est. ca. 3000 BCE
Straight Edge sheep and their thug crews: est. ca. 20-some-odd years ago
Use your brains. For once. Please?
straight edge > you