Soo i guess Jada being the hard rocker that she is discovered Straight Edge along the way and convinced her man Will that this was worthy of a TV Show.
So here we have Jada and Will smith all about the ohio straight edge “crew” called the “Courage Crew” they were relevant ohhh 10 years ago??? Haha why don’t they do a show about FSU or some crew that is still kicking ass now? Whatevs
here’s will and the “Crew”
A film and television production company called Overboork Entertainment, formed by Will Smith, is working on a TV series for FX that will be a drama focused on a straight edge crew. Jada, Smith’s Wife, came up with the idea; I guess her stint in the music biz has given her a lot of insight in what it means to be Straight Edge. The show is untitled and will revolve around Courage Crew an SxE crew from Ohio. I have no idea what to expect, and I don’t want to assume the worst, but I doubt that it will be posi considering that most news and info about Courage Crew revolves around them allegedly beating up people that aren’t edge.
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1 Anonymous // Nov 1, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Worst idea ever… lets publicize something the media will take its hands on and completely change it, and get a whole bunch of confused kids claiming edge. Just like they took metalcore bands and said they were hardcore.
2 xSLCSEx // Nov 2, 2007 at 11:20 am
This is probably just going to publicize all the shitty things that people have seen and heard about straightedge kids doing, and that’s not fair. Straightedge isn’t about beating the shit out of someone who’s smoking on the corner, or stabbing old ladies who look at you funny or anything like that. This, I’m sure, will also just help even more 14 year olds who don’t know anything about straightedge except it makes them seem tough, claim edge, and once again make it look stupid. And I’m sure Jada knows SOOOO much about straightedge since she was in a metal band…yeah, whatever.
3 christine // Nov 4, 2007 at 1:49 am
I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS OMG.
ps i loved all the OC kids that claimed courage crew 7 years ago.
i love will and jada.
4 XK.M.72X // Nov 8, 2007 at 1:40 am
I really hope this project never come to life.
This is just the bad publicity straight edge doesn’t need.
5 Drake // Nov 14, 2007 at 7:35 pm
courage crew is very much alive even today…bands like xTyrantx and alot of the seventh dagger family are supporters of the crew…look into it…
6 LITTLEDGE // Nov 15, 2007 at 2:32 am
I myself am going to try to do somthing to stop this project. I will put my neck on the line to stop the media from giving us an even worse name then we already have. If we try to work together i feel that we can put a dent in this project and maybe even clean up the bull shit that the media has created.
7 xSLCSEx // Nov 15, 2007 at 3:23 pm
How would we do that? Who do we get in touch with/contact to even begin to try and do that? I definitely don’t want this, as “brilliant” as Will and Jada may think it is, to even come about. They don’t know what they’re doing by making this, and I’d rather not have a whole new wave of straightedge haters because of this bullshit.
8 some dude // Nov 21, 2007 at 1:17 am
So hopefully, there will be a hardcore revival. More kids will go to shows, bands will get more money, more records will be put out. WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT NAME EDGE KIDS HAVE!?!? It’s not something to fit in or stand out or whatever. And hopefully there will be less xwhateverx kids on AIM and xbox live and everywhere else.
This could go either way though.
9 a // Nov 23, 2007 at 3:34 am
some dude - sounds like you’re the only person making sense. straight edge is supposed to be for yourself, not anyone else. not to be part of a scene. not to bash others for what they do. it’s personal choice. ask ian, ask brian, ask anyone from the 80’s dc scene. Considering they started it, they should know.
10 dicksmoke // Nov 23, 2007 at 11:13 am
Bahahahahaahahaha
Crews…..
Bahahahahahaaha
11 xAZHCx // Nov 26, 2007 at 5:19 pm
First of all Courage Crew is still a strong crew so watch what you say about them.
But I mainly agree with what xSLCSEx was saying.
We all know straight edge started as a song by Minor Threat and kids who decided to follow in their place were the O.G. edge kids and understood what it truly meant. But ever since then alot of kids have been bringing that title to a new low because they are just using straight edge while they are in the 8th grade and want to get attention.
I was at this edge fest show last month in Haverhill, MA and bands like Verse and Have Heart were playing.
National Geographic was there.
Now you might think this is cool because they were doing a documentary on straight edge and it is going to get the message out there or whatever, but its really just National Geographic trying to make money and its showing straight edge to all those mainstream pussies out there who would only use straight edge to be like “underground” or be “hip.” Which is already happening enough. And thats just fucking stupid. If straight edge becomes so popular that bands like Nickelback become xNickelbackx then whats to happen? It becomes so intense that 9 year old kids are claiming edge and completely forgetting that its a life commitment? Or people drop the casual sex part of the x and change what straight edge originaly was?
I just couldnt handle that shit.
Ahaha, what if the mother fucking Jonas Brothers or Panic at the Disco claim edge.
The thought of it disgusts me.
12 f // Nov 28, 2007 at 3:24 pm
I agree with xAZHCx
Oh and “LITTLE EDGE” its scene fags like you that are ruining straight edge.
Cut your hair.
13 xbrosephx // Dec 3, 2007 at 12:58 am
im not taking sides here, im on my own side, i’ll say what i beleive and idc what others think. after all if i cared about what everyone around my town thought, i wouldnt be straight edge. this is more me. and i think this show will be great. i mean yeah its fucking rediculous that all these young kids want to be edge because they see it as “cool” and i dont think they should do this. it actually really pisses me off when kids do this. but straight edge is for me, i know im straight edge. idc how other people view it. its for me. i mean yeah the great part about it is more people will know about straight edge. but at the same time. hopefully will and jada will make a strong point and be sure to let their viewers know that it is a lifelong commitment. and it is taken very serious. idk i guess we’ll see what happens though.
14 pat // Dec 4, 2007 at 6:43 pm
“I will put my neck on the line to stop the media from giving us an even worse name then we already have.”
-worry about your own name.
“Haha why don’t they do a show about FSU or some crew that is still kicking ass now? Whatevs”
-yeah, why not focus on a relevant group of jerks?
“I guess her stint in the music biz has given her a lot of insight in what it means to be Straight Edge.”
-maybe she came across it at some point and it resonated with her. kind of like how everybody else learned about it. and its not up to her to portray straight edge, its up to the dudes that will be on the show.
i like will smith.
15 Jay // Dec 8, 2007 at 10:38 pm
Hopefully this documentary sheds light on the idiocy known as the courage crew. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen one person get beat down by a bunch of jocks who weren’t good enough to get a scholarship to college. They still wanted to feel relevant so they formed a gang and used straight-edge as their new calling. One kid is smoking a cigarette and minding his own business when a gang of jocks walks up to him screaming disrespect before beating him down. Real tough to do that. It doesn’t take much “courage” to be one of six guys beating down one guy. Hopefully this documentary truly exposes what’s wrong with these idiots.
16 Jay // Dec 8, 2007 at 10:42 pm
xbrosephx - As far as the lifelong commitment, tell that to the numerous guys you see in bars with huge X’s tattooed on their neck or hands. That’s how lifelong the trend is to most.
17 xselloutx // Dec 9, 2007 at 2:47 pm
dude wheres this gonna be at and when
18 seriously. // Dec 10, 2007 at 10:15 pm
I went to edge day in Haverhill too this year. It was amazing how many kids get together for this and its apparent it’s more than a trend. Verse even says its a lifelong commitment, its not straightedge until 21 and they are living proof along with Champion. Have Heart says it best, “A hero’s fall can never change what I think because at the core of my heart this something more than ink ” Even though people break edge Jay, many are still serious about this and no edge kids don’t just go around beating up people for having a cigarette, clearly you don’t go to many shows.
19 Jay // Dec 10, 2007 at 11:34 pm
How many courage crew kids does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Doesn’t matter as long as the bulb is outnumbered.
20 Mikey Prophet // Dec 11, 2007 at 12:22 am
Will Smith is awesome!
21 JDCXXX // Dec 12, 2007 at 8:54 am
tru
22 rawchill // Dec 12, 2007 at 4:18 pm
This is by far one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard of.if you want to not drink,do drugs,or have sex than whatev live your life but dont beat up kids because they arn’t like you…if you want to hurt someone that bad then join the military you can kill all kinds of people for no fuckin reason at all.
your all idiots.im moving to canada.
23 Jay // Dec 13, 2007 at 11:22 am
“seriously”, You’re talking about straight edge and I’m talking about courage crew. I grew up in Ohio and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a group of at least four people from the courage crew beat down one guy for something as simple as smoking a cigarette. I’m not saying all straight edge kids are like that, but the majority of the courage crew is. If you’re not, that’s awesome. More power to you. I speak from personal experience though.
24 JDCXXX // Dec 14, 2007 at 8:17 am
what shows were you going too, when this was happening? And what city(s) were you in at the time, and how do you know they were crew? I’m just asking here…because i mean i’ve beat up a kid or two at a show and im NOT crew. I wouldn’t expect to ppl say, oh man that kid is Courage Crew watch out he’s a “toughguy”, rather i’d expect them to say “dang that kid just beat the shit out of that dude”! I bet alot of people just mistake other non crew sXe kids for being crew when a fight breaks out, and the edge dude beats the other guy horribly.
25 Jay // Dec 14, 2007 at 11:19 am
They ran rampant through Dayton for the latter part of the 90’s and early 2000’s. I knew they were courage crew because they were the guys beating their chests as loud as possible while telling everyone how much better they were. Screaming edge and crap like that. Oh and the ones I didn’t know personally: They gave themselves away by the HUGE X’s marked on their hands.
26 xTCx // Dec 15, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Look we all know how this turns out. Everyone WILL have their own opinions about the show, courage crew, straight edge. hardcore kids, and watever else falls into that category. Ppl who arent straight edge and look down upon it will automatically talk shit about it to make themselves feel better. They will project their insecurities onto other people. And same for straight edge kids.. Im sure alot of people have noticed that the edge kids that go around beating the shit out of people who are simply just minding their own business amoking or drinkin are usually the ones who have the most to hide and really arent edge themselves. Which in fact are most likely the ones to break edge first. Ive seen it happen many times. But I know for myself through knowin some people in courage crew that not ALL of them are like that. Im sure some of them are. But those dudes are probably egotistical idiots. I know that some of them though have friends/band mates/co-workers/and even family members who are NOT straight edge and get along with them just fine. I myself am associated with both straight edge and NON straight edge kids.. I have plenty of friends who drink and smoke and fuck as much as they want. You dont see me or any one of our friends goin around and beatin the shit outta them.. If i saw a straight edge kid beatin the shit out of someone for the simple reason that the other person was smokin or drinkin not botherin anyone.. Id probably go out of my way and beat the shit out of the straight edge kid and teach them a lesson. Its ridiculous how you guys categorize so many different things into one specific group. There will be different kinds of people in EVERY single group/clique/crew/ or watever the hell it may be.
27 chris morgado // Dec 16, 2007 at 2:33 am
2 words
nashua NH
28 JDCXXX // Dec 16, 2007 at 1:04 pm
JAY….. every edge kid has X’d up at a show before, that doesn’t make them crew, shit even i yell out STRAIGHT EDGE at shows, and I ain’t crew, i bet you don’t even know how to really spot a real CXCB dude in the first place, and as far as they’re “fading presence” all i can say is you probably haven’t been to a real hardcore show while.
29 Jay // Dec 16, 2007 at 5:01 pm
JDCXXX, I wasn’t stating that every kid that X’s up is courage crew. It may have read like that, but that’s not what I was implying. I know not every straight edge person is courage crew, and vice versa. I know what courage crew was in the late 90’s and early 2000’s though. Trust me, they ruined almost every punk show we had with their inflated ego’s and the need to tell everyone how hardcore they were. I don’t know about now, but then it was a status symbol to them to show how scene they were.
30 LifeLoveRegret // Dec 16, 2007 at 7:14 pm
So Jay, name one show that was “ruined” by Courage Crew in Dayton.
31 Garettt // Dec 16, 2007 at 8:32 pm
this is gay will smith is going to get jumped fsu and the crews are not a joke
32 ABXXX // Dec 16, 2007 at 9:04 pm
this isnt a joke, FSU, Courage, any of them crews aint no joke, im guessing they would be more than GLAD to beat your ass
if its not good its talking shit no matter how you try and spin it
33 asianxkaos // Dec 17, 2007 at 1:14 pm
You guys seem to be missing the point. The fact that SxE is being put in the mainstream media is a problem in its self. When ever tehe mainstream gets a hold of anything underground they ruin it.
Now true hardcore and edge aren’t really underground anymore and I hate that. I got into this scene in 93 because the “normal ” people weren’t a part of it. Now everybody is core or emo or edge now it seems. I can’t wait till this dies back out and half you people leave and move on to the next thing.
34 rawchill // Dec 17, 2007 at 6:31 pm
why dont you name the show “modern day nazi’s”
35 jay // Dec 18, 2007 at 2:48 pm
LifeLoveRegret, I saw several Stoics shows and quite a bit of PDW shows ruined because of Courage crew. Plenty of the art hops at plan B coffee house as well.
36 JDCXXX // Dec 18, 2007 at 5:27 pm
what is PDW or Stoics?……….
37 Jay // Dec 18, 2007 at 6:59 pm
They were bands in the mid 90’s to early 2000’s. There are several more, I just didn’t want to make a long list.
38 LifeLoveRegret // Dec 18, 2007 at 7:36 pm
(Jay)Ehhhh the only kids who would have went to those shows are all drinking now. I could name a few, and they weren’t CXC. They were SXE, but not CXC.
39 Jay // Dec 18, 2007 at 10:49 pm
(LifeLoveRegret) A lot of them were claiming courage crew and yes, I definitely saw a couple of them drinking a few years later.
40 LifeLoveRegret // Dec 19, 2007 at 9:13 pm
(Jay) Yeah everyone “was” Courage Crew in the 90’s. More like wanted to be. I’m not sure if you live around Dayton anymore, but things have changed for the better. Most of the kids who started most of the trouble are long gone.
41 Jay // Dec 20, 2007 at 1:07 am
I definitely live in Phoenix now. That’s good to know the “scenesters” are gone. If this documentary comes out expect to get a whole new wave of them.
42 JDCXXX // Dec 20, 2007 at 6:23 am
I doubt it because everyone knows what happens if you claim CXCB and your not in….. it starts with an Ass and ends with a Beating. Regardless of a TV show or not, they could care less they won’t put up wit that shit, and if the kids are under 18 they’ll get a younger dude to smack ‘em, believe that shit.
43 Chuck // Dec 23, 2007 at 3:07 pm
personally, it’s a toss up with me. i know a few CC guys who are pretty cool. however, i have also seen the “gang” mentality aspect of them also. first off, i personally was threatened by a courage crew member back in 2001 in norwood, oh. for wearing a leather jacket and smoking a cigarette. i simply told the dude what i did was none of his business and to step up if he wanted some. he looked at me very blank for a second and told me he was going to go get his crew! WTF! now, this here is the problom. i don’t think all straight edge kids are bad and i think it’s a personal choice. however, don’t run your mouth if you can’t back it up. if you need to outnumber everyone you assault, that’s not real “hardcore” in my book. this is the mentality of a lot of CC that gave the whole fucking thing a bad name. it’s good to have pride in yourself and your beliefs but it’s a real punk ass thing to judge other people and gang jump them because they don’t share your beliefs. and if your too much of a chicken shit to fight someone 1 on 1 maybe it’s time to re-evaluate what you stand for. just my 2 cents.
44 anonymous // Dec 25, 2007 at 11:27 pm
the thing is the whole scene, edge kids, scene kids, hardcore kids all of us built this from bottom up and we managed to keep it underground and this will make all the retards with nothing else to do something to conform to. im in the scene ause its who i am and i dont want a bunch of fakes showing up at a my chidren my bride show that think theyre the shit cause they “saw it on TV” thatd suck
45 anonymous // Dec 25, 2007 at 11:29 pm
oh and it takes a lot of shit to get into CxC so i dont see why they cant act tough
46 Jay // Dec 26, 2007 at 11:18 am
anonymous - Imagine how the true punks feel. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard/seen MTV exploit punk rock and slap that label on music that’s nowhere near punk. Suck it up and get used to it.
47 513 // Dec 27, 2007 at 2:35 pm
One of my favorite courage crew memories was from a “More than Music Fest” in Dayton in the early ’90’s. They were talking a lot of shit but when confronted by Cincinnati, they wouldn’t do a thing. It was the early days of courage crew and considering how they’ve gr0wn in size over the years it’s kinda funny to know that I was one of the guys that punked them out back in the day. I’m far removed from any crew scene these days and looking back I realize how silly it is. Hopefully the new school crews will realize it too.
48 xAndyLarsonx // Dec 30, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Hey I think this is stupid and Straight Edge should not publisized on Corporate Media channels it will just disort the true meaning of straight edge and people that arent involved in the scene really wont understand. Fuck Will smith and His dumb wife I bet they really arent even edge! Someone Should Kill these people trying to destroy this subculture!
49 Jay // Dec 31, 2007 at 10:34 am
xAndyLarsonx - How do you think true punks feel? Suck it up and deal with it. Your scene is going to be exploited (as if hot topic wasn’t already selling markers to “X up”). It happens to a lot of scenes.
50 LifeLoveRegret // Dec 31, 2007 at 8:53 pm
I agree Jay. Nothing is sacred anymore. I can only speak for myself, but I’ve seen a lot of things come and go, and as far as “corporate media” they “exploited ” the “punk rock scene” many years ago. The first would be the name punk rock. This term was given to people by the media, and was termed to be negative. Yet people call themselves punk rock even now. I’m only in my mid 30’s, so I can only tell you to get used to it.
51 Jay // Jan 1, 2008 at 1:34 am
LifeLoveRegret - I’m 28, so I’ve gotten used to it. I was already listening to punk when the 90’s punk rock boom hit with Epitaph, Fat wreck and so on. I’ve seen the trendy kids rise and fall and I’m sure I’ll see it again. Just like I’ve seen in the sXe scene and soon the cycle will begin again (if it hasn’t already).
52 LifeLoveRegret // Jan 1, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Jay, I was agreeing with you, the rest of the message was for xAndyLarsonx. Sorry about that.
53 Jay // Jan 2, 2008 at 12:03 am
No problem.
54 XjoshhyX // Jan 5, 2008 at 10:40 pm
I guess being from OH and knowing some of the Crew guys, I’m gonna have to ask them what they think of the whole thing.
All I’ve ever known of crew was good and not the way its played out to be and hopefully if this does go through they portray the fun part of it and very little time with the other side.
55 asianxkaos // Jan 7, 2008 at 6:47 am
So are these actors or actuall edge kids?
56 LifeLoveRegret // Jan 7, 2008 at 2:43 pm
asianxkaos-
It will be both.
57 XjoshhyX // Jan 8, 2008 at 12:02 am
lifeloveregret-
How do you know this information?
And another thing about this whole idea though, is that I hope as far as what they decide to talk about in it, I really hope they focus on everything good about it. There are so many things that are believed about CxC that are just not true.
58 LifeLoveRegret // Jan 9, 2008 at 7:29 pm
XjoshyX-
I live in Dayton.
59 Jay // Jan 9, 2008 at 8:03 pm
LifeLoveRegret - Are you old enough to remember when the Dayton music scene was actually good?
60 XjoshhyX // Jan 9, 2008 at 9:16 pm
I am from Cincinnati, so I am around this scene down here, which has been ever changing the past couple years.
Anyway, since I’ve started going to shows there have been few good bands to come out of Dayton. The only bands I like out of Dayton right now are Take NO Prisoners and Never Again.
61 LifeLoveRegret // Jan 10, 2008 at 6:32 am
Jay-
Yeah I remember those days. Especially the early 90’s. Its pretty much sucked here since then.
62 Jay // Jan 10, 2008 at 2:32 pm
LifeLoveRegret - It was painful to watch everything go downhill. I remember kids coming from Cincy and Columbus to see shows in Dayton. Slowly, but surely things died down and the last couple of years I lived in Dayton, I didn’t even go to any shows.
63 ron fox // Jan 11, 2008 at 1:01 pm
513 who are you…speaking of being punked out
64 anonymous // Jan 17, 2008 at 4:58 pm
omg jay
stop bitchin
65 Jay // Jan 18, 2008 at 3:55 am
How about you actually read the posts? I’m not complaing. Hell, I don’t even live in Ohio anymore.
66 Anonymous // Jan 18, 2008 at 11:24 am
I think this show will have its good and bad aspects, ive seen and met members of the courage crew at plenty of shows and have yet to see them fight anyone, and i think the show will give these guys a chance to tell everyone what they are all about. but the show is also selling straight edge out to the media and its going to become a household term that will make longtime straight edge people embarassed to claim anymore.
67 kusbdaf // Jan 19, 2008 at 9:18 pm
fresh prince and one life crew would’ve been funnier
68 JDCXXX // Jan 21, 2008 at 12:19 pm
ey 513 you still live in cincy?
69 Skinhead Kate // Jan 31, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Ron Fox? Eaton Ohio, Ron Fox?
70 Skinhead Kate // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:43 am
We used to go to shows at Newspace and Brent or Brookwood Hall (whatever that lodge out in the woods by the power plant was called), in Dayton.
I was really close with Ron Fox and considering the crowd, the CxC was no more disorderly or lawless than the BootBoys or the 513 or Capital City (I forget the rest,, Superheroes?) or the MOO Crew.
I mean, for heavens sake, it was Frank Strong, not Ron Fox, who stole Elliot’s mag lite! natch
However, CxC did acquire and retain a rather nefarious notoriety, more so than the rest of those “crews”. (I don’t see Jada Smith knocking down Joe Nickley or Ben Steiger’s door to purchase rights to the “Boot Boy”.)
Good times.
If you are the “Ron Fox”, who I was such good friends with 17 years ago, let me know. I have been wondering what the heck happened to you.
The last we spoke was when you called me out of the blue whne I worked at Scentiments and you were moving to Colorado.
71 xflagpolex // Feb 3, 2008 at 11:49 am
well i dont know about all of you guys but obviously courage crew had no problem what so ever with will smith doing this doc.
honestly i agree edge doesnt need to be mainstream because it’s not a mainstream movement and we dont want bands like xnicklebackx but thats were bands that are part of the hardcore movement take a stand but i’m pretty sure with courage crew being ok with it itll be seen fine
but there is always those fucks that wanna bring something down.
lets just see what happens.
p.s.
who ever the fuck dicksmoke is i would put all the money in the world on that he wouldnt step to fsu or fucking cxc
dont hate on what you dont know anything about.
72 sjgxxx // Feb 14, 2008 at 9:24 am
first off, i could really care less about what anyone thinks, this is what i have to say take it or leave it
i agree very strongly with what xAZHCx has to say, but i think maybe if done right could be good, maybe less people would make unwise decisions. We could have a cleaner america on the way.
Why is it such a big deal if straight edge becomes a popular thing? because then it won’t be your secret cool thing? just a thought
but then again I’m sure will smith and jada or w/e her name is know so much about edge
73 sjgxxx // Feb 14, 2008 at 9:24 am
first off, i could really care less about what anyone thinks, this is what i have to say take it or leave it
i agree very strongly with what xAZHCx has to say, but i think maybe if done right could be good, maybe less people would make unwise decisions. We could have a cleaner america on the way.
Why is it such a big deal if straight edge becomes a popular thing? because then it won’t be your secret cool thing? just a thought
but then again I’m sure will smith and jada or w/e her name is know so much about edge
74 Skinhead Kate // Feb 14, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Since when has Straightedge not been a part of popular culture?
Here is a hint, this isn’t anything new.
75 J. // Feb 22, 2008 at 11:32 am
I’ve been in the Ohio scene for many years. And I’ve had my run ins with CC before. I’m not edge. I respect those who do it for themselves non-militantly, but pushing beliefs onto others, especially through violence like Courage Crew does, is tyrannical and the ideology should be banished. They should be treated in the same regard as Nazi Skins in the scene.
Militant straight edge overshadows everything positive about straight edge and hardcore and opens up so many paths of hypocrisy. For example, Courage Crew kids attack those who are not sXe, but will support bands like Terror, who’s lead singer sold out (Chris Alsop - Suffocate Faster - let’s Scott stay at his house)? They’re militant against and do not support my beliefs, but listen to Blood for Blood, Madball, Agnostic Front, Death Before Dishonor and support them? They’re against smoking because it’s a vascular contricting carcinogen, but they drink 8 energy drinks a day? Ohh wait, let’s not forget the 3rd X in ‘XXX’ stands for don’t fuck, and the guys go and have unprotected and unmeaningful sex all the time. Does anyone see the problem here?
The sad thing is, I know Will and Jada Smith both support Courage Crew. Will was almost a CC member. I just hope that this documentary does not glorify CC actions or give them a platform to spew their hatred. At least Nazi’s hated ALL non-anglo-saxons and didn’t pick and choose. Courage Crew and any straightedge militant crew are nothing but hypocritical gang members that ruin the hardcore scene. They’ll always put themselves above the scene and destroy it. Look at Dayton. Good lord, we can’t even get a good show here anymore and our scene was thriving a long time ago. Why? Because of CC. They’re a joke.
76 J. // Feb 22, 2008 at 11:36 am
XjoshhyX, Crew do good?
Do you know Stevie? He’s ragging on a kid. Taunts the kid to fight. The kid socks Stevie. Stevie gets on the horn to his Crew buddies, kid gets beat up. How’s that good?
I know a lot of the old Crew dudes. And they were down. But this new CC age is ridiculous. People getting shot at because they’re not CC anymore and refusing to cover their tattoos? In my mind, no difference between CC and the Eastside Crips.
There’s a reason why Ian McKay and Slapshow don’t call themselves straightedge anymore.
77 LifeLoveRegret // Feb 23, 2008 at 9:19 am
J. You make a couple of good points. However, before you start spewing with rumors that I’ve heard about for years, you should get your facts straight. Anyone could say that the Dayton scene is a joke now because of cxc. However, the Dayton scene got its name because of sxe and cc. You might want to see who did all of the bookings throughout the 90’s. And as far as Stevie, he isn’t cxc right now because of his actions.
78 Jay // Feb 25, 2008 at 9:23 am
Lifeloveregret, while Courage Crew did a lot of the bookings in the 90’s you’re not completely true with that statement. I seem to remember a lot of the beerXedge crew doing a lot of shows too. Don’t forget that goth club on Jefferson, plan B in the oregon district, all of the Legbone shows, etc. The scene was thriving in general, but not solely because of courage crew. Actually, I remember a lot of people not going to shows because they knew courage crew was going to be there. If anything, that supports J’s statements.
79 Anonymous // Feb 25, 2008 at 10:19 am
Stevie isn’t courage crew anymore. It is to my understanding that he got kicked out of crew for sleeping around. Apparently they meant to make an example out of him. So who knows maybe they’re doing a crew wide clean-up and are trying to get the respect they once had in the 90s and such. A little thing I noticed is that Earth Crisis/Path of Resistance always used to thank Ron, Denny, and JC, as well as courage crew in general. But thier last few albums they only thanked the said members and the “courage few.”
80 D-Town // Feb 25, 2008 at 10:29 am
All I have to say is how many times will you venture down to Louisivlle and Pikeville and see some fruity looking rockabilly dude with a courage crew shield on his throat, cxcb down his leg, or something of that nature. It has got to be hard to run a crew where everyone just sells out a few years down the road.
81 LifeLoveRegret // Feb 25, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Jay,
I was talking about the real scene. Not the rebos scene that came years later. I’m talking about 90-97ish. They were the only ones doing real hardcore shows. And yes you were correct, many people didn’t go to those shows because of them. However, it was also around that time where all the scenes split. It used to be that everyone went to “punk” shows. Then came along every genre of music, and with that came different “split scenes” everywhere.
82 Jay // Feb 25, 2008 at 5:11 pm
haha, and here I thought I was an old timer. I think in 1990, I was playing video games and not doing much else.
83 Skinhead Kate // Feb 26, 2008 at 6:52 am
Lifeloveregret, they were not.
Frank Strong, Chris Rage and several others were doing Hardcore Shows in 1990. In fact, Ron didn’t start the CxC until 1991-92.
I remember when he sent me his first comic. I still have it.
84 LifeLoveRegret // Feb 26, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Skinhead Kate-
I was refering to SXE in general doing shows in the early 90s. Frank Mcguire (Strong) left about 92. Thats when things went to hell until about 92/93 when CXC kids started doing shows. When I stated above, I was talking about “real hardcore” through the 90’s not the other rebos scene with all the hoods hahah.
And the comic book yes hahah I still have mine as well.
85 anonymous // Mar 2, 2008 at 2:41 am
It already has been ruined by mainstream media and pop culture. Its been that way for years. That is one of the main reasons I dropped out of SxE. Every douchebag that wore tight pants and a cool t-shirt were claiming edge too be cool or fit in. Fuck the dumbshit. GROWN MEN live for themselves and love hardcore. thats all that counts.
86 FUCK YOU // Mar 6, 2008 at 4:06 pm
FUCK ALL YOU,
all you fuckin tree huggers can go have sex with your sister, because shes the only one who probably accepts you, cause your a fag. SUCK MY DICK. xxx
87 Jay // Mar 6, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Haha. Teen angst at its finest.
88 Blah // Mar 18, 2008 at 9:13 am
I can name one show ruined by Courage Crew in Dayton, OH…Snapcase and Avail.
I agree Snapcase deserved an ass whooping for what they did, but at the same time do it in the parking lot after the show. Don’t jump Snapcase on stage and then get the show canceled.
89 Blah // Mar 18, 2008 at 9:17 am
I guess I’m just a man. I grew up in an era where going toe to toe meant something. Not this gang mentality of hurting someone bad enough they won’t seek retaliation. And I know there are some good Courage Crew dudes out there. I’ve met them and they’ve been extremely respectful.
But at the same time, Courage Crew should clean house of the ones that are only in the crew to wear the dog tags, get the tattoo, and beat people up. Let’s be honest, for those that go to Cinci shows that aren’t Crew, we know who they are, so Crew has to. All those kids are detriment and ruin the credibility. That has to resonate somewhere in Crew.
90 hardcoreshouldntbetelevised // Mar 19, 2008 at 6:37 pm
courage crew are bunch of sellouts, for letting themselves be exploited. Seriously if you want to exploit hardcore more then its already been done fine go ahead but to have it televised so people can jump on the hardcore band wagon is messed up
so heres to courage crew…YOU SELLOUTS
91 XIHATESELLOUTSX // Mar 19, 2008 at 6:41 pm
selling out hardcore for your 15 minutes of fame IS AWESOME…
big ups to the courage crew…great job exploiting hardcore you idiots…
92 XIHATESELLOUTSX // Mar 19, 2008 at 6:42 pm
I CANT WAIT FOR THE COURAGE CREW shirts in hottopic to show up…AWESOME…
93 WHATTAJOKE // Mar 20, 2008 at 7:45 am
If I join Courage Crew can I be cool and beat a kid blind like they did not too long ago??? Then only go to jail for a couple of months and get off for “good behavior”.
Way to sellout your pride. I hope you guys “Get Jiggy With It” on FX.
94 give me a small break. // Mar 20, 2008 at 12:32 pm
FYI, this isn’t some legally copyrighted entity that Will Smith needs permission to portray. If he is not using anybody’s real name, he can make a TV show about anything he wants.
It’s called adulthood and knowing things, it is neat-o.
Also, there is no such thing as subculture anymore, the media killed it long ago, so stop crying about selling out. It makes you look like big babies.
95 JDCXXX // Mar 20, 2008 at 3:16 pm
like they are the first ones to do it, c’mon get your heads out of your asses. Much bigger and deadlier groups of people have done shows/documentaries on their groups the Bloods (Bastards of the Party HBO special), Crips (Bangin in Little Rock parts 1&2 HBO special), and MS13 (National Geographic special) , and these are real documentaries. Not TV shows based loosely around them like the CXCB project, so get your shit straight. And as far as selling out hardcore you could thank Madball, Hatebreed, Evergreen Terrace, Terror, or anyother HC band that has been in a music video on MTV, so whatever.
96 LifeLoveRegret // Mar 20, 2008 at 5:32 pm
I think its amazing that all you “kids” are talking about selling out hardcore etc etc. JDCXXX knows whats going on. Hardcore was soldout years ago. Punk was soldout years before that. Sorry to break it to most of you, but you aren’t doing anything original.
97 Turd Sandwich // Mar 22, 2008 at 9:17 pm
I’m trying to understand JDC’s and LifeLoveRegrets reasoning here…
First off, how has punk or hardcore sold out anything? They’re not living entities. Bands and other people in the scene sold out punk and hardcore.
I’ve been in this scene for over 15 years and I know plenty of bands and people that keep it real and stick to their roots. Just because bands like Hatebreed, Madball, Terror, etc… sell out to have their videos on MTV, doesn’t mean I’ve sold out…Doesn’t mean those bands that do it for fun and never make dime sold out. It just means Hatebreed, Madball, and Terror sold out.
Secondly, is the sellout of others validation that it’s okay for CC to sell-out? I’m not saying CC sold out or anything…I could give a fuck what they do. But, just because other people have sold out should never be a validation for someone else to.
98 JDCXXX // Mar 23, 2008 at 9:13 am
It’s not validation for CXC to “sellout”, im just saying that the punk and hardcore scenes have broken into mainstream culture long before they (CXCB) decided to create a TV show, documentary, or whatever. And it shouldn’t really matter, shit i mean if people have such a problem with that, than i can’t imagine the shit these people talk about FSU for their releases of Boston Beatdown (volumes 1 & 2)
99 Dustbunny // Mar 27, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Okay. First off. Edge is a solidcommunity and it makes me laugh how people bash thier own lifestyles… so if it becomes a big deal and the Jonas brothers and all these dudes claim edge, then good… It is one less drunk driver killing our kids. Just because you don’t agree with everyone who is edge doesn’t mean that they don’t have the right to want to live a pure lifestyle and better the community (what straight edge is actually about)… and if a bunch of kids do it for a week and then back out, who cares… they were never really edge.
Second. That is like a small percentage of the courage crew there… most of those dudes are from the Ohio sect but its a lot bigger, still quite relevant. Plus that picture was taken like years ago, I am pals with a good number of dudes in it… not a new thing really, haha.
Third. Who cares if the media portrays it. Nothing is sacred, so getting your panties in a bunch just makes edge kids look like whiny pricks. I am pretty sure if we can kick each other in the face at a Take No Prisoners (friend name drop - SKEET!) show and rough up skin heads and never succumb to the pressures of society and the media and others, that we can take a show on stride… besides, do something other than watch TV, for real.
Really all I am trying to say is oh well, be edge for you and let this shit blow over just like a few years back when Hot Topic had edge merch all over. Love yourselves and fellow edge kids and Get off the internet and TV and go out to better your community, then punch someone in the dick (or vag, equal rights!) at a hardcore show.
There you go. Now blast me.
100 Dustbunny // Mar 27, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Furthermore… I hope the thing has a scene about blasting the rocky horror kids outside the neon with waterballoons and shit. Oh the good ol’ days and the mischief.
101 bob // Mar 29, 2008 at 3:38 pm
yea who cares if the media gives edge kids a bad image?im edge and i really dont give a shit what people think.it may be a trend to other kids but not me.so it doesnt bother me when people say “oh straight edge is just a trend and an excuse for people to be ‘xtoughx’ and ‘hxc’” cause i know im edge for the right reasons
102 vanessa // Apr 1, 2008 at 8:57 pm
i doubt very seriously that will smith and his wife are goin to focus theyre attention on only the negative things perceived about straightedge. im sure it will be about how not every teenager in this world is concentrating on drugs and alcohol and any other negative means of society. maybe this time it will be about giving props and respect to the kids who have convictions and morals.
103 kris // Apr 2, 2008 at 11:49 am
shut up, vanessa, girls can’t be straightedge so don’t talk about something you’ll never be a part of.
104 vanessa // Apr 2, 2008 at 7:53 pm
hahaha….wow. let me guess youre like 16 or 17….you go to shows on the weekend get your merch and two step for the bands you know. you claim edge because someone you knew claimed edge….you probably didnt learn all about what it is or respect it until you claimed. well let me tell you something. hardcore was my life for a long time. i earned my respect as a female in the scene supported the boys and girls that put their blood sweat and tears into making it what it should have been….i unfortunatly had to grow up and realize that the scene is changing and that i no longer fit in with the kids who are making it what it is now. i was edge no i am no longer edge but it wasnt a trend to me it got me through the roughest time in my life where i could have destroyed any type of future i might have wanted. maybe someday youll learn that there comes a time where you dont have to prove yourself to other people that they know who and what you are….girl or not sweety i was apart of something you will never see….
105 Jay // Apr 2, 2008 at 11:22 pm
It’s funny what some of you call “selling out”. You’re telling me if you loved to play music and someone offered to pay you to do what you love and already do for free you would turn it down? If you say yes you’re either a liar or stupid. Selling out would be compromising your beliefs for money. If (insert favorite punk or hardcore band here) was approached by someone who said “I’ll give you a lot of money if you start playing hair metal” and that band agreed, I can see how that would be considered selling out. To get paid to do something you love and you’re already doing for free? Hardly selling out. I’m guessing those of you who claim all bands on MTV “sold out” aren’t a day over 24. You think you’re going to be able to raise kids playing hall shows and bars? Life is going to kick you in the head pretty fricking hard if you don’t get your head out of your ass.
106 JDCXXX // Apr 3, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Vanessa………You’re a SELLOUT, so fuck off, where the fuck do you get off even discussing STRAIGHT EDGE to anyone? Obviously you and so many other people like you don’t know shit about being sXe hence you’re a SELLOUT! Didn’t mean shit to you then, that’s why you are where you are now, so what if the kid is 16 or 17. CXC was started by a couple of 17 year olds who are now in their very late 30’s and are still CXC (hence still sXe), so what does growing up have to do with shit? As for Kris, girls can be straight edge, for straight edge holds no prejudice on sex, race, age, or ethinicity it’s for anyone and everyone though the lifestyle appeals to males more than females, it’s about community nonetheless.
107 JDCXXX // Apr 3, 2008 at 2:16 pm
More about Straight Edge females…….
Straight Edge is about family, and family is very important to the Straight Edge lifestyle/community. And let’s say two Edge kids (boy and girl) grow up and become married. And they have a kid, now you have two parents both who are straight edge, both who raise their child in a smoke, drug, and alcohol free house hold, instill in their child the Core values of Straight Edge which are abstinance from promiscuity, drugs, alcohol, and smoking, loyalty, honor, respect, and education, being a productive citizen, always staying true to one’s self and all relationships both romantic and ordinary friendship. How much more is that child going to want to be somebody and make something of him or herself , as well as wanting to be sXe? I’d say a hell of alot more that being raised in an enviorment dad is edge and mom smokes and drinks and does whatever, so im all about the edge ladies.
108 vanessa // Apr 3, 2008 at 4:26 pm
it is about growing up. both of my parents were addicts of many different things. my brother too….i dont smoke i rarely drink and im of age. im in the army busting my ass so kids like you can do the things you do. im having a child of my own with a man i love very much and loves me the same. hes never heard of straightedge and yet he doesnt and hasnt done anything society is letting kids these days think is ok. i dont see how anyone can judge anyone on what they do or did if that person is doing the best for themselves. and honestly JDCXXX it is kids like you that make the media believe sxe is a violent rebelious cry out to society by treating people that arent the same as you are. and how do you know that 5 years from now youre gonna be the exact same. see i was just like you…an elitist who thought i was better than everyone else….realize that the world is a lot more than hardcore and sxe
109 XunbreakableX // Apr 4, 2008 at 6:26 am
Vanessa… Good on you for being in the military. I am also in the military. But I am also 30 and still edge. We know life is bigger then hardcore and sXe. If you didn’t before you do after your first deployment. But to the us that are still active in the scene it still means a lot to us. Look at all the shit we have to put up with. All the alcoholics we work with. If it wasn’t for going to shows blowing off some steam I would have lost it by now. You moved on thats fine people do all the time. I don’t think your a sellout. But you can’t knock kids who are still apart of the scene. You don’t have a right to tell us that we are wrong in what we think cause you are no longer apart of the scene IMO.
110 JDCXXX // Apr 4, 2008 at 11:53 am
See I beg to differ, i’ve been edge for 5 and a half years now, and yes i do believe there is more to life than hardcore, but not sXe. Straight Edge is a life long commitment alot like marriage, unfortenately the value of being sXe is becomming less and less alot like getting married. In both marriage and sXe you become apart of something great, you have a family, you have security, and even greater sense of pride, and not just for yourself but for your friends (or husband/wife) . Too bad, like you (and sellouts in general) times got hard and friends became enemies or they lost their sense of self and gave up and sold out, because they lost what they cherished most and quit. Or they rushed into it without thinking shit through and got caught up in the moment and because they loved the song SXE Revenge they thought they loved the lifestyle, only to realize they loved the idea of sXe not actually being sXe until the day they died. Hence TRUE TILL DEATH! that means until the day they bury me in the ground i will remain to be SXE!
111 vanessa // Apr 4, 2008 at 7:51 pm
im not telling anyone they are wrong for what they believe…..not at all…i was saying dont judge the ones who arent sxe as if they arent as good as you. i didnt break edge because things got rough or because i couldnt have self control….i got out of the scene and just stopped claiming. i have been deployed. tikrit iraq. cob speicher. less than a year after i joined. i go back in less than a year….sometimes i wish i was still in the scene and went to shows but the kids i went with moved or stopped going too because it changed so much. it became what we hated. i love hardcore. i respect any and everyone that treats the scene like it should be. but i had to make decisions….oh and ps there is no scene in hawaii so that made it hard too..haha. i dont want anyone thinking im insulting sxe or hardcore thats not what this was about in fact if you read my first entry i was saying how maybe this time the media will show the better sides of edge but some kid wanted to be stupid and cuss me out. but hey its cool no hard feelings…..
112 xNonSensex // Apr 8, 2008 at 7:53 am
I have a friend from ohio Cinci area.. he is in courage crew and he wants out. the name is ruined these days im about an hour from SLC and its horrible.. Straight edge kids fighting straight edge kids. People dont fight for their beliefs these days, but kids beating up others because they are angry. Why make the name Mainstream… what happened too Integrity. Some of my biggest role models that motivated me too claim years ago are leaving it because its just not the same anymore.
113 xDYTx // Apr 8, 2008 at 7:11 pm
name?
114 xNonsensex // Apr 8, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Well I cant give a name… cause thats not my deal.. no dis respect too you anything its just one of those things.
115 xDYTx // Apr 9, 2008 at 12:38 pm
i understand
116 LifeLoveRegret // Apr 9, 2008 at 3:21 pm
“he wants out” Ummm its not like its blood in blood out. I call bullshit on this.
117 xNonsensex // Apr 9, 2008 at 8:00 pm
naw no bull shit…. what happened was he grew up with two kids since he was kids… like brothers… they all claimed edge his two best friends ended up selling out, and kids wanted him too kick their ass. But He just diidnt have it in him to do it. So now everyone wants his ass. That would be a really tough situation I dunno If I could do it either… but he just wants too get away too a small town and be a gamer nerd… that all i do work be sober and game
o yeah and my girlfriend of course.
118 LifeLoveRegret // Apr 9, 2008 at 8:09 pm
The situation doesn’t sound right to me either. I’ve never heard of that situation, it must be a young kid. Are you sure that he is cxc? Or does he just hang out with some of those kids?
119 JDCXXX // Apr 10, 2008 at 9:42 am
sounds like a kid who hangs out, because i know CXC dudes who still chill with sellouts, now unless the dudes were CXC and sold out, then i could see that situatin arising.
120 JDCXXX // Apr 11, 2008 at 5:50 pm
why doesn’t he just turn his tags in?
121 ron fox // Apr 15, 2008 at 9:36 pm
hey kate.
122 kate // Apr 16, 2008 at 6:37 am
HI RON!
You can contact me thru my website.
How are you?
123 nikko // Apr 27, 2008 at 10:40 pm
dud ethat rocks
fuck drugs (:
kill the adicctions
and vices in your lives!!
124 anonomys // Apr 27, 2008 at 10:40 pm
STRAIGHT EDGE KIDS ARE FAGGOTS
125 nikko // Apr 27, 2008 at 10:42 pm
actually wait i change my mind man
this is shit man cause now poeple are gonna see that and well its harsh but true people are fuckin’ignorant man stupid kids are gonna be all im straight edge thats bad ass poser man fuck this thing man take it ooff the air laters live life on the edge fuckers!!!
126 Steven // Apr 27, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Stupidest idea I’ve ever heard. I respect the fact they are down with edge, but don’t make a drama based straight edge show. Propaganda at it’s best. Don’t let it happen. Please.
127 warriorXXXblood // Apr 27, 2008 at 10:47 pm
despite what happens, nothing will change how I feel about being straight edge. I don’t care how many weenies go edge and then break and go, the fact is Straight edge will NEVER be mainstream. We’ll be more hated now then ever but thats fine. I’m not Straight Edge to be popular (but I’m definitely not Straight Edge to be a bully, hopefully no one takes that the wrong way and starts with the whole “you stupid tough guy jock newb ewww waaa”) I am straight edge for me (wooo cliche I know I’m sorry). Face it the norm is drinking smoking and bars and hard alt rock concerts. I don’t think I see xhigh school the musicalx happening anytime. Plus people will get shit so twisted they wont want anything to do with edge. We’ll still be here like we were before. just sayin’
128 xfreddyx // Apr 27, 2008 at 10:48 pm
it will show we are better than any fucking druggies out there.
129 xjessex // Apr 27, 2008 at 10:49 pm
well,to be honost im in the 9th grade and im 14 ive been straight edge for almost 2 years now (i know it sounds lame but i was out skateboarding one day and some guy from reno was to and im from a small town
so we start chillin and stuff and he told me about it
and i was like wow that really appealing to me but anyway now we have been friends for a while and stuff but
lots of people make fun of me for being edge and you saying that “14 year old in it for a fad”is fucking bullshit
oh and “cut your hair” i have medium length hair..
and im not scene!
i go to shows.i rep.
and i have seen alot of people break edge and be like “smoke,its good for you”
but im still true
so please dont stereotype me.
i also think this is a horrible idea.making edge mainstream will fuck everything up.
130 Jonny // Apr 27, 2008 at 10:55 pm
FUCK CREWS! CREWS SUCK! it’s just a reason for beating people up! fuck fsu, courage crew, gamc all that shit! I tried it one time and it was the worst idea I ever had in the history of my entire life! I’m not judging the people in it it’s just that the whole idea behind it is gay! the only ever cool crew/band was one life crew and they were a bunch of hateful ass mother fuckers too! Will smith is cool don’t get me wrong but this is a terrible idea! Half the people that are straight edge don’t even listen to hardcore anyways! they listen to xINSERT TOUGH/GAY NAME HEREx bands. Whatever.
131 J!D! // Apr 27, 2008 at 11:27 pm
ok so i have been a Posi Straight Edge kid my whole life, 20 years and running strong, and to be honest I dont give a fuck about what people think about me. The media will always show the negative characteristics of any group or subject matter. I just went to a Have Heart show and the singer brought up a good point, “Everyone was so scared that the National Geographic documentary on straight edge would make us all look like gang members, since when do straight edge kids care about what everyone thinks about them?” People will always see straight edge as a violent gang no matter how you put it. Be yourself and stop labeling straight edge as a group, IT IS A FUCKING LIFESTYLE! There can be no bad publicity for straight edge cause there is not a crew or gang named Straight Edge no matter how you look at it!
132 yeahhh // Apr 28, 2008 at 12:16 am
the idea is pretty stupid
but
it really wont make any difference anyways because the words “straight edge” are already and bound to become even more of a character trait than a lifestyle
if you’re edge and committed to it then the path that the namesake of edge as a whole goes makes no difference to you because you’ve made a commitment that means something to YOU
who cares if mainstream america thinks they know what edge is they already think they know everything about every subculture because they’re the majority
theyll say theyre edge and none of them will be which will defeat the purpose of edge in general so real edge kids win posers lose
and some kids will likely actually embrace being edge which never hurts
us making it a big stink when mainstream society get their hands on something new to them is what truely ruins it because it causes instant turmoil and runs it straight into the ground
just ignore the posers and live your life forreal
dont reply to me saying you think im wrong cuz im here to throw that out there not argue
133 mike // Apr 28, 2008 at 5:15 am
okay okay hold on, i kinda skimmed through this shit, some of you sound retarded, like “oh this dude was cool until he SOLD OUT” dude unless u literally are a musician who bounces on ur fav music just to make money, LIKE FAGGOT HOMO ATREYU, then you’re really not selling out, just havin principle changes. Im NOT straight edge, but i’ll tell you one thing, YALL STRAIGHT EDGE KIDS WHO TALK SHIT ABOUT US SMOKERS NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP, I DONT BEEF THAT U HATE ON CIGS SO DONT BEEF WHEN I LIGHT ONE UP, DONT BE IGNORANT.
plus in troy NY, alotta the FSU kids are fucking crackheads, literally, smoke crack blow lines.
Im down with you straight edge kids cuz, well, ur healthier, and i love hardcore, but i smoke pot, and i smoke cigs, I DONT DRINK, and i dont touch any other drugs besides cigarettes and weed. AND JUST HOW YOU HATE PEOPLE CHANGING WHAT YOU LOVE, I DO TOO, FUCK ABOVE THE
INFLUENCE.COM ITS FOR STUPID PEOPLE.
And im in a NON straight edge HARDCORE band.
but basically…instead of uniting under the music we love, yall continue to spread hate, and just fight, if you’re in the throw pit, dont cry to your “Crew” to jump soemone, because you got ur pink shirt and ur ball huggers ripped, pussy, thats what youre THERE FOR, TO GET VENTED. And i believe that thats what some of you are talking about when you say “its changing”. its going from havin fun and gettin aggression out, to a bullshit reason to think ur tough when you have 23 people with you.
yall are just real fuckin segregated AMONGST YOUR OWN KIND. Quit fightin each other or else the bullshit ghettos gonna win. And even moreso than now, everythings gonna be HIP SKIPPITY HOP, and everybody in their predominantly white neighborhoods are gonna still be “hood” while mommy buys them a car.
straight edge, or not, its still hardcore.
134 edgextillxdead // Apr 28, 2008 at 6:17 am
I personally don’t care either way, whether or not they decide to make this tv show. In the end, I’m still going to have my edge. But as much as I genuinely don’t care what happens, there are still positives and negatives.
On the bright side, if it happens, it will open a door for a lot of people to something that they might not have found otherwise. I guarantee there was someone around when you claimed edge that didn’t want you to be a part of it, but you stuck with it anyway. (Or didn’t.) Straight edge is such a positive thing that could end up saving a kids life if he happens to be watching the right channel at the right time.
But on the other hand, straight edge has been and always will be a statement of rejection of the normality of society, and it’s drink, smoke, fuck mentality. And if it comes into the mainstream like this there are going to be a lot of people not taking it seriously, but that’s nothing new. And more often than not, straight edge will have a bad light shined on it, because the media wants to make it look like a violent culture filled with cro- magnon men that haven’t found out that beer is good for you.
Positives and negatives aside, put your worries to rest, because it’s not going to happen. This show will never be made, and if it is, straight edge will just be as much of a counter culture, if not more, than it was before.
135 Josh // Apr 28, 2008 at 6:53 am
I used to know some kids from FSU, as I am from mass. Yeah. I walk without fear. I’ve been jumped before, so it doesn’t bother me. I’m not straight edge, I tell people straight up where to go if they don’t like it. I get hit, I have friends. I don’t walk with a crew, but I’ll fight with my fists. Like I said though, I get hit at a local show, I have friends, it’s all I need. We don’t need some stupid crew, friends protect friends.
136 xbeerx // Apr 28, 2008 at 7:28 am
courage crew is VERY much active
go to a show in cincinati, clevland, covington, and you will see at least 30-40.
+ it is very active in reno nevada area, and expanding.
137 stillxstanding // Apr 28, 2008 at 8:31 am
this is going to turn straight edge into a trend now. not that it already is one. people always jumping in and out of it. but i dont care if we look bad. i bet 90% of the people who watch the show if it gets broadcasted won’t even understand. so fuck mainstream and fuck will and his wife for making us look bad.
138 Anonymous // Apr 28, 2008 at 9:00 am
I’m sort of torn between this. This will most likely result in negative publicity,as many of you have stated.
On the flipside, I think violence is stupid, and straight-edge people who feel it necessary to beat other people up are retarded, and if the media is going to crucify the Courage Crew (which is ironic seeing as most incidents of violence occur with multiple “crew” members and usually one or two victims facing them), they’ll get what they deserve.
But the straight-edge lifestyle shouldn’t suffer for it, because it’s one of the best and most progressive ideas made in the last century.
139 Jay // Apr 28, 2008 at 9:24 am
Haha, to all of you getting angry about this, get used to it. Punk rock was raped by MTV in the mid 90’s and it became cool. We got all kinds of posers in the scene and everyone was “punk”. You’re about to get an influx of new “sXe” kids and then within a couple of years you won’t see them again. It’s going to happen, you might as well get used to it. Go beat them up once they “sell out” so you can feel better about yourselves.
140 Tj // Apr 28, 2008 at 9:30 am
I think it’s cool that a celebrity is taking interest in Straight Edge, But I think if they made a tv show out of it nothing good would come of it…All kinds of little scene kids would claim edge and then the real crew is not gonna be too happy…It would be cool to watch but I just don’t see it giving the Courage Crew much a better reputation.
141 JDCXXX // Apr 28, 2008 at 11:41 am
Dear Mike,
basically all I can say is if your edge, tight, if not whatever, but if you talk shit on the internet you are a PUSSSSSSAY!
And who gives a shit if your in a NON sXe band? what’s that supposed to mean, who cares if your a band, that isn’t a sXe band? what is the point of the band, to be a band, or NOT sXe? For all those out there saying well im in a NON sXe band and i have an opinion, yada yada yada…, ok, good for you, don’t forget to give urself a big pat on the ass!!! whoooopieeee! hooray your in a NON sXe band, like people are gonna care that your band that isn’t sXe. I LOVE TERROR and they aren’t sXe, but tey don’t go around parading, like yeah ummm we aren’t a sXe band so yeah…. abovetheinfluence.com is for idiots. They are there just to play music and have a good time. I’m just sayin’.
142 Lza // Apr 28, 2008 at 11:42 am
To be honest I don’t think there’s anything wrong with this documentary. People act like this is one giant sellout but you have to acknowledge that Hatebreed touring at Ozzfest and releasing a metal album, or Throwdown selling “X up” pens at hot topic (yes they actually exist) are indications that hardcore sold out ages ago.
It’s up to CXC Ohio to showcase straight edge in a positive light and whether the show damages or helps hardcore is based on how hardcore is showcased. This is hardly the first example of hardcore crew coverage in the media.
All one needs to do is go read the article written about FSU Boston in Rolling Stone and few months back. If anything I’d say this documentary is a vast improvement over the Rolling Stone article because it is the job of edgers in this show to make sure it comes across as positive, whereas with the RS article, it was dependent entirely on the author’s bias.
The RS article laid out the death of an ex-marine at a Boston hardcore show. He was at one point confronted by 2 FSU guys for wearing a shirt with a racist slogan on it. A fight broke out and the marine left. On his way home, the marine was punched with brass knuckles in the back of the head and died. Alexander Hamilton was charged with his murder, but the Rolling Stone article portrayed him as already guilty. A month or so later all charges were dropped and he was proven innocent.
If we’re to dismiss the rumours and violent associations people have with hardcore…than this is the perfect opportunity to dispel such myths.
Likewise, this could only further societies belief that hardcore is dark and dangerous and to be avoided at all costs.
143 Charizlard // Apr 28, 2008 at 11:56 am
Idk I think this could highlight the positive side of SxE I can’t see will smith attaching his name to something that promotes violence , never the less its cool that will smith and his wife are involved with SxE
144 BrownEyedGirl // Apr 28, 2008 at 12:27 pm
I hope it will be like gangland.
First and foremost, Who the fuck cares? Does it really matter what crew its on? If you don’t like it don’t watch it.
145 yeahhh // Apr 28, 2008 at 2:12 pm
im not sure why a lot of you are arguing about crews and who you know and who are sellouts i thought this was about the show
and how the show is gonna portray the reality of straight edge
every crew, gang, clique, scene, group, organization, association, collection of people, humanity as a whole whatever you wanna call more than one person with similar beliefs, has people that will give it a bad rep so you learn to forget those people
good and bad are opinions one group or person will always have of the other
people are different
arguing and fighting over it and shit only hurts your cause and youre no better than either the “sellouts” or the kids that go out and beat people senseless
and i say kids cuz i dont know many grown men thatd do such a thing and claim to have pride or integrity
both sides of that argument are detrimental to the real issue anyways
dont get me wrong i believe you should stand for your cause and fight for it when someone gives you shit for it
but i dont believe anyone should be callin out anyone fighting anyone jumping anyone or really saying shit about anyone without being provoked
just seems to me like a lot of people dont really get what POSITIVE social change is all about
the posi got lost somewhere along the line by a lot of you
like i said in my last post its like its a character trait you wanna say youre edge with your crew or your boys and not be edge for yourself and your family and the world
and whats sad is i dont even consider myself edge anymore because i broke a couple years ago
i dont claim because im young and and have a lot of my life to live before i prove myself as a clean living person
because to me edge you achieve when you die clean and are really a committed MAN OR WOMAN (not a kid) with a family of your own
and its a personal thing for me to TRY to achieve
you dont call yourself the president of the united states because youre running for election
you have to get there first
its an achievement not a title
idk how many different ways i can say that haha
but i choose my lifestyle because i wanna be better than my parents and family growing up around addicts and alchoholics present on a daily basis and make more of myself then what i was born into and what my town has to offer
and i wanna take that and give it back to my family and friends and town so less people go through a bunch of the dumb shit i did
and hopefully my town can give that to other towns and so on thats what change is about
not when you’re young and got a whole life ahead of you to change your mind or fail
but i still believe in social change
and all the ideas behind edge and posi
im not in a crew
im 100% by myself in what i REALLY believe
i see crews and i see good ones and i see bad ones
i choose to be alone because i dont believe i can be an individual or escape comformity if i stick with a group and adopt their opinions
noone believes exactly what i do and noone believes exactly what you do either
not that im sayin you cant be true if you’re in a crew thats just my take and my reason for not being in one
but for what reason would you focus on a person like me and call them a sellout for breaking edge or not being in a crew (anymore for some people) especially if they admit being wrong
doesnt neccesarily mean theyre betrayers and need their asses beat
ya know worry about your own deal do your thing and dont worry about the people who arent real
a crew isnt my family my family is my family
a crew isnt my community my community is my community
friends bros coworkers bandmates etc.
a lot of people just want the rep and im not one of them my reputation doesnt matter cuz i know what i do and what i believe
we probably should be focusin on our goals and not breaking til the day we die and instill that in the people it works for until it becomes a bigger movement and maybe someday itll actually be a true revolution
violence and hate wont get it there
and neither will running in circles crying and preaching to the choir
not tryin to be disrespectful to anyone at all im just sayin people need to CHILL and keep their head in the game and look at the reality of it or its not progress its senseless violence, turmoil, and a lost cause
dont worry about the name or rep of straight edge worry about the reality of the lifestyle and being a better person
whether your xToughx or a bitch shouldnt matter either
since when has being able to fuck someones day up with your fists had anything to do with proving a point or bein the best you can
if people dont wanna be a better person and improve the world let them drink and smoke and fuck cuz its their problem and they dont hurt you or put a bottle in your hand or anything
the show itself isnt gonna be what may be good or bad its the way the viewers and edge culture approaches it and absorbs the the message so how the show goes is up to YOU
sorry if some of that was repetitive and again not tryin to be disrespectful to anyone at all just tryin to throw some insight and honest opinion out there
146 J!D! // Apr 28, 2008 at 3:03 pm
I thought this post was supposed to be about the TV show. Everyone needs to stop being so scared about whether or not straight edge is going to go “mainstream”. why does it matter? make the show! the world will form negative opinions no matter what. Plus correct me if I am wrong but Rolling Stones Magazine did an article on FSU as an edge crew and National Geographic, the media world has discovered straight edge and there is no stopping them. Violence equals ratings, it may suck that the media will never cover too much of the positive aspect of straight edge no matter what the truth may be. Will Smith will not stop from making the show cause of a forum and you never know what the show is going to exhibit, give it a chance and if it sucks horribly then get extremely angry but the world’s perspective on straight edge wont change so chill.
147 xfreddyx // May 5, 2008 at 12:36 pm
i agree with the points mentioned by J!D!
w.e. man.
148 James B. // May 5, 2008 at 11:47 pm
alright let me start off by saying that i dont care either way about this documentary. straightedge will never be “main stream”. many people think that this show will give edge kids bad publicity. thats all bull shit. there is no bad publicity. let all the haters hate. theyre just fucking mad that we live a hella better lifestyle than them.
as for the COURAGE CREW. yeah. im friends with a few guys in the detroit courage crew. the vocalist of xTYRANTx is the leader of MI’s courage crew. and hes actually a pretty chilll guy. sure ive been to a few shows and seen a few people get jumped. they had reasons to do it though. dont assume cause you see the courage crew walking around jumping people that theyre bad people. they dont just randomly hit kids. trust me. they have reasons.
to me this documentary makes me feel proud. cause the word is getting out there that straight edge isnt dead and it will never be dead. if you guys want to really want to go on about this. go ahead. be my guest.
for the guy that said he doesnt know what courage crew is. go to SEVENTH DAGGER FEST on may 24th. haha.
149 XstillkickinX // May 6, 2008 at 7:59 am
I have been sxe since the early nineties and I live in Ohio. I was in Courage Crew for over ten years and I’m still good friends with a lot of those guys. I can assure you douchebags, no matter what your gay friends tell you they’ve supposedly seen happen firsthand, nobody has ever EVERRRRR been jumped for merely smoking a cigarette and minding his business. I have myself, however, fought people who have blown smoke in my face simply because I had a sxe shirt on. People who claim they have seen this happen are haters just trying to get attention.
P.S. I hope there’s a scene in the show where cXc throws Jazz out the front door and beats up Philip Banks for smoking.
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